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Saw the IGs a couple months back here in Halifax in an auditorium full of white haired lesbians and thoroughly enjoyed the evening. These gals give a good show.
Live versions never quite translate
Seem to be rushing through this ....
lmic wrote:
As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
All I know is that I used to really like the Indigo Girls, but now I can barely tolerate them. I'm not entirely sure why, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that so many of their songs sound so much alike that they got old very quickly.
As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
All I know is that I used to really like the Indigo Girls, but now I can barely tolerate them. I'm not entirely sure why, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that so many of their songs sound so much alike that they got old very quickly.
lmic wrote:
Cannot one loath the loathsome without being labeled? Does the act of loathing require the clueless assignment of a label such as mimicking "hipness" or "misogyny"? How do you know why people loath? Moreover, why do you care?
And no, I don't know why I found it necessary to respond except that I loath the Thought Police and things PC in general.
RebDov wrote:
As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
I find Einstürzende Neubauten neither boring nor discordant.
They're supposed to be discordant - for Goddess' sake, they're industrial!As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
Cannot one loath the loathsome without being labeled? Does the act of loathing require the clueless assignment of a label such as mimicking "hipness" or "misogyny"? How do you know why people loath? Moreover, why do you care?
And no, I don't know why I found it necessary to respond except that I loath the Thought Police and things PC in general.
holborne wrote:
Awesome. I think they're great also. Some of the work they've done particularly on their earlier albums (thanks for mentioning their older stuff) shows some fantastic talent, particularly in arrangement and harmonies.
There are very few signer-songwriter pairs around now that can present and perform as well as these two have.
It's great to hear you think so too. Keep up the good work!
I was sitting here at the computer, listening to RP with the browser on another window, and all of a sudden, this song penetrated my consciousness — not a pleasant sensation, I assure you. "Ew," I said to myself, "what he hell is this awful thing?" I clicked over the RP, to find that it was the indescribably vile Indigo Girls, whose phony, cheap, smug, faux-dispossessed, fuck-the-middle-class-oh-I-forgot-I'm-one-of-them-never-mind epater le bourgeoisie act had already gotten old, oh, sometime around the end of the first Bush Administration.
Can whoever is responsible for unleashing these two self-satisfied assholes please atone for the sin she has committed against the world by immediately joining a convent that has taken a vow of silence, but not before throwing Emily and whatever-the-fuck-the-other-one's-name-is into a soundproof cell in a supermax prison somewhere in Montana or North Dakota. Thank you.
Can whoever is responsible for unleashing these two self-satisfied assholes please atone for the sin she has committed against the world by immediately joining a convent that has taken a vow of silence, but not before throwing Emily and whatever-the-fuck-the-other-one's-name-is into a soundproof cell in a supermax prison somewhere in Montana or North Dakota. Thank you.
Awesome. I think they're great also. Some of the work they've done particularly on their earlier albums (thanks for mentioning their older stuff) shows some fantastic talent, particularly in arrangement and harmonies.
There are very few signer-songwriter pairs around now that can present and perform as well as these two have.
It's great to hear you think so too. Keep up the good work!
MUTE
ugh greyfin10 wrote:
Well, yeah, that's just silly.
I'm cool with that opinion. I don't agree, but I dig. I was talking about the fellow who knew they were lebians by how they played their guitars... admittedly funny, but totally the kind if dismissal I'm talking about.
Well, yeah, that's just silly.
I'm cool with that opinion. I don't agree, but I dig. I was talking about the fellow who knew they were lesbians by how they played their guitars... admittedly funny, but totally the kind if dismissal I'm talking about.
holborne wrote:
My criticism of them isn't that they're gay or that they're a folk-rock act. My criticism of them is that they're phony and cheap, with musical talents that are slight at best.
holborne wrote:
My criticism of them isn't that they're gay or that they're a folk-rock act. My criticism of them is that they're phony and cheap, with musical talents that are slight at best.
greyfin10 wrote:
My criticism of them isn't that they're gay or that they're a folk-rock act. My criticism of them is that they're phony and cheap, with musical talents that are slight at best.
Indigo Girls are great. Its a great disservice to niche them as "those gay folkies". I don't see anyone "saying" that here, but its so common in the larger world, I suspect it has alot to do with the disrespect they seem to get. Like most artists, they have both strong and weak periods, but when they are "on" they are awesome. Strong melodies, strong lyrics, and they consistently take the effort to do the "harmony" thing. Get past their labels and you'll find they are the whole package.
Edit: Wait... just as I was typing this, someone actually applied the label... in a cartoonish way no less. Thanks for making my point.
Edit: Wait... just as I was typing this, someone actually applied the label... in a cartoonish way no less. Thanks for making my point.
My criticism of them isn't that they're gay or that they're a folk-rock act. My criticism of them is that they're phony and cheap, with musical talents that are slight at best.
Indigo Girls are great. Its a great disservice to niche them as "those gay folkies". I don't see anyone "saying" that here, but its so common in the larger world, I suspect it has alot to do with the disrespect they seem to get. Like most artists, they have both strong and weak periods, but when they are "on" they are awesome. Strong melodies, strong lyrics, and they consistently take the effort to do the "harmony" thing. Get past their labels and you'll find they are the whole package.
Edit: Wait... just as I was typing this, someone actually applied the label... in a cartoonish way no less. Thanks for making my point.
Edit: Wait... just as I was typing this, someone actually applied the label... in a cartoonish way no less. Thanks for making my point.
I was sitting here at the computer, listening to RP with the browser on another window, and all of a sudden, this song penetrated my consciousness — not a pleasant sensation, I assure you. "Ew," I said to myself, "what he hell is this awful thing?" I clicked over the RP, to find that it was the indescribably vile Indigo Girls, whose phony, cheap, smug, faux-dispossessed, fuck-the-middle-class-oh-I-forgot-I'm-one-of-them-never-mind epater le bourgeoisie act had already gotten old, oh, sometime around the end of the first Bush Administration.
Can whoever is responsible for unleashing these two self-satisfied assholes please atone for the sin she has committed against the world by immediately joining a convent that has taken a vow of silence, but not before throwing Emily and whatever-the-fuck-the-other-one's-name-is into a soundproof cell in a supermax prison somewhere in Montana or North Dakota. Thank you.
Can whoever is responsible for unleashing these two self-satisfied assholes please atone for the sin she has committed against the world by immediately joining a convent that has taken a vow of silence, but not before throwing Emily and whatever-the-fuck-the-other-one's-name-is into a soundproof cell in a supermax prison somewhere in Montana or North Dakota. Thank you.
RebDov wrote:
As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
I find Einstürzende Neubauten neither boring nor discordant.
They're supposed to be discordant - for Goddess' sake, they're industrial!As for the Indigo Girls, is it now officially hip to hate them? Or is all the loathing just plain-vanilla misogyny?
...Amazing...
Even though I have never heard this song I instantly knew it was being played by lesbians. I think it was the lame strumming pattern.
(Too weird)
Even though I have never heard this song I instantly knew it was being played by lesbians. I think it was the lame strumming pattern.
(Too weird)
fredriley wrote:
You've not heard Einsturzende Neubaten, then. Oh, I do love these moderate, proportionate comments. Perish the thought that someone could elevate their own personal dislike of a song into a general all-encompassing statement about it being, like, the worst song ever in the history of humanity. I'll bet you wouldn't dare say this to the Indigo Girls face to face - they'd eat you alive and spit out the bones.
As a matter of fact, I own a number of Einstürzende Neubauten albums, including "Alles Wieder Offen" and "Ende Neu." How can you dislike lyrics like "You will find me if you want me in the garden, unless it's pouring down with rain." I highly recommend them for Radio Paradise. I find Einstürzende Neubauten neither boring nor discordant. The same cannot be said for Indigo Girls. I made the mistake once of buying one of the Indigo Girl's horrible albums because I liked the song "Closer to Fine." I soon realized my terrible error and hastily destroyed the CD before it could inflict more pain on any other unsuspecting victim. In response to the comment about being eaten alive by the Indigo Girls: I don't think fear of them is a valid reason to pretend that their music is good.
You've not heard Einsturzende Neubaten, then. Oh, I do love these moderate, proportionate comments. Perish the thought that someone could elevate their own personal dislike of a song into a general all-encompassing statement about it being, like, the worst song ever in the history of humanity. I'll bet you wouldn't dare say this to the Indigo Girls face to face - they'd eat you alive and spit out the bones.
As a matter of fact, I own a number of Einstürzende Neubauten albums, including "Alles Wieder Offen" and "Ende Neu." How can you dislike lyrics like "You will find me if you want me in the garden, unless it's pouring down with rain." I highly recommend them for Radio Paradise. I find Einstürzende Neubauten neither boring nor discordant. The same cannot be said for Indigo Girls. I made the mistake once of buying one of the Indigo Girl's horrible albums because I liked the song "Closer to Fine." I soon realized my terrible error and hastily destroyed the CD before it could inflict more pain on any other unsuspecting victim. In response to the comment about being eaten alive by the Indigo Girls: I don't think fear of them is a valid reason to pretend that their music is good.
No wonder you're so lonely, ladies.
RebDov wrote:
You've not heard Einsturzende Neubaten, then. Oh, I do love these moderate, proportionate comments. Perish the thought that someone could elevate their own personal dislike of a song into a general all-encompassing statement about it being, like, the worst song ever in the history of humanity. I'll bet you wouldn't dare say this to the Indigo Girls face to face - they'd eat you alive and spit out the bones.
Most boring, discordant, horrible trash on the face of the planet.
You've not heard Einsturzende Neubaten, then. Oh, I do love these moderate, proportionate comments. Perish the thought that someone could elevate their own personal dislike of a song into a general all-encompassing statement about it being, like, the worst song ever in the history of humanity. I'll bet you wouldn't dare say this to the Indigo Girls face to face - they'd eat you alive and spit out the bones.
Sounds like that bit in The Office where David Brent & Gareth start singing
Most boring, discordant, horrible trash on the face of the planet.
froggy wrote:
A 45+ minute song? Are you sure you didn't get drunk and stumble into a Phish concert?
Your story was very funny, BTW.
I'm sorry but this has to be one of the most boring bands in the universe. I was the sound man for a band that was playing with them in Santa Fe. We went out for tacos while they were playing and when we returned appx 45 minutes later I swear they were playing the same song.
Thank God the green room had lots of beer!
Thank God the green room had lots of beer!
A 45+ minute song? Are you sure you didn't get drunk and stumble into a Phish concert?
Your story was very funny, BTW.
cc_rider wrote:
Can't particularly warm to them, so I'll offer the following.
Was never a great fan of ME, untill I say her perform on MTV's 'Unplugged'.
Her performance was totally electrifying, to say the least. Respect!
Some nice musicianship here, too.
I have always like Indigo Girls. There, I said it. And Melissa Etheridge, and Two Nice Girls. Maybe I'm a closet lesbian? Maybe I just like folkie pop.
c.
c.
Can't particularly warm to them, so I'll offer the following.
Was never a great fan of ME, untill I say her perform on MTV's 'Unplugged'.
Her performance was totally electrifying, to say the least. Respect!
Some nice musicianship here, too.
I specifically logged in to rate this song a 1. I still don't feel satisfied.
Thistle wrote:
too funny!
This song is SO gay.
too funny!
This song is SO gay.
and you're gonna stay lonely if you keep shrieking at me!
I have always like Indigo Girls. There, I said it. And Melissa Etheridge, and Two Nice Girls. Maybe I'm a closet lesbian? Maybe I just like folkie pop.
c.
AphidA wrote:
It's songs like this and artists like this that make me wish for a rating lower than 1.
Amen. You can find better songs and musicians than this at your local open mic night.
I'm sorry but this has to be one of the most boring bands in the universe. I was the sound man for a band that was playing with them in Santa Fe. We went out for tacos while they were playing and when we returned appx 45 minutes later I swear they were playing the same song.
Thank God the green room had lots of beer!
Back in the 90s, when the Indigo Girls were more popular & touring often, I went to a "special" acoustic performance. It was okay, but I liked the full band sound, so the performance wasn't so special for me.
The next year, my friends dragged me to another "special" acoustic performance. I was bored. The next two times they performed their "special" acoustic performances, I refused to go.
Since then, I've lost my lovin' feeling for their music, when I once truly enjoyed it. I've tried to get back into the Indigo Girls groove, but it just hasn't happened. 
Are there music counselors out there somewhere? 
Are there music counselors out there somewhere? sdn wrote:
It's a nice song... but loses something in the live version.
I really like the energy of the live version, myself.
It's a nice song... but loses something in the live version.
STOOOOP! 
It's songs like this and artists like this that make me wish for a rating lower than 1.
gormeister wrote:
whatever else they may be, their music is grating, repetitious, and without insight.
TRUE
Odyzzeuz wrote:Don't they use the exact same strumming pattern in every song?
YES
Thistle wrote:LAME
Yes, and that's being charitable.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Would recognize this guitar banging anywhere.
electronicshaman wrote:
Absolute rubbish.
definitely grating...
and repetitive..
and grating.
and repetitive..
and grating.
and...
I cannot stand the Indigo Girls.
Absolute rubbish.
gormeister wrote:
whatever else they may be, their music is grating, repetitious, and without insight.
definitely grating...
and repetitive..
and grating.
and repetitive..
and grating.
and...
Odyzzeuz wrote:
Don't they use the exact same strumming pattern in every song?
I've often noticed that.
Automatic 2 for being an Indigo Girls song. Very high suck factor.
Ahh...Bowie now playing. Feeling much better...
I love the guitar intro. Simple yet powerful. Great sounding live recording. Gives you that 'you are there' feel.
whatever else they may be, their music is grating, repetitious, and without insight.
Tip to the guys who are clueless to musician's sexual preferences: Never see Indigo Girls as a first date with a beautiful (but conservative) woman who knows nothing about the duo. This was back in the 80's, and it took me almost an hour into the (great) show before I noticed my date wasn't paying any attention to the show and appeared very nervous. Defintely wasn't the right tone for a first (and yes, last) date.
Still... love Indigo Girls, and this song.
madtowner11 wrote:
I heard a rumor that the Indiglo girls hail from the Isle of Lesbos.
Aye, daughters of Sappho they be. Ge-arrr.
How amazing that this brilliant song seems to follow very well from The Cure's Harold and Joe. Well done.
ArmchairMusician wrote:
Maybe you should endure reading a dictionary.
Well, I can spell and am having a hard time enduring this crap. Certainly better things can be played than this (IMHO of coarse).
THIS SONGS ROCKS!! Indigo Girls, Blue Dykes, whatever you want to call them they are amazing! I have seen them over 20 times and they have never let me down.
Must go chow some box now!
:)
All this junk about their sexual orientation is just baloney, like worrying about Beck being a Scientologist or whatever. Who gives a shit?
That said, I find them to be only mediocre musicians -- their songs all sound a lot alike to me. When I hear this strumming pattern I know it's the Indigo Girls. I just don't know which song.
Bizzarefall wrote:
ohhhhh that explains my unusual urge to lick carpet...
(Cartman takes a bite out of a cardboard box)
Cartman: My mom said to be a lesbian you have to chow down on this box.
How old are you? 9?
Grow up. And leave the lesbian-related commentary for your playground recess group.
ohhhhh that explains my unusual urge to lick carpet...
(Cartman takes a bite out of a cardboard box)
Cartman: My mom said to be a lesbian you have to chow down on this box.
Geecheeboy wrote:
Seems like back in the mid 80's in Atlanta they were known informally as the Blue Dykes but my memory may be failing me. I might have dreamed that.
madtowner11 wrote:
I heard a rumor that the Indiglo girls hail from the Isle of Lesbos.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Seems like back in the mid 80's in Atlanta they were known informally as the Blue Dykes but my memory may be failing me. I might have dreamed that.
LAME
raelic wrote:
This is like John Cougar Mellencamp in bra and panties. Not sure if the mental image or the catterwauling is worse.
haha I am not sure there is much bra wearing going on here...
I thought this was the country version of "Gin and Juice" at first, I keep waiting for her to say her homegirls do too-oo"
Don't they use the exact same strumming pattern in every song?
bobbic wrote:
I never thought I would have to indure this song on this station! 
Maybe you should endure reading a dictionary.
jodygold wrote:
Maybe she wouldn't be lonely if she played better music?
I think you might be right!
I never thought I would have to indure this song on this station!
Maybe she wouldn't be lonely if she played better music?
this album was the soundtrack to my sophomore year in college.
one of my claims to 'i saw them before they were...' was seeing these two perform acoustically for 150 people in a small kansas city club on their first tour - they handed out this live disk for free as you walked in. pretty frickin amazing.
not a huge fan... for some reason they've never really resonated with me, but hey, they seem popular and there's nothing wrong with that. :)
One of the times I saw the Girls play, Amy prefaced this song with something to the effect of ... "This song started out as a ballad ... and then I heard the Replacements..."
The 'Mats were a true inspiration in their time.
I, too, LOVE this live CD.
Fantastic! I saw them live in '90 or '91, just Amy and Emily wailing on their acoustic guitars. Heavy show.
shakitten wrote:
(sigh) In my opinion, this will forever be their best album.
I assume you mean their fantastic self-titled album (1989) and not the less-compelling live compilation (1995) this track was pulled from, right? In that case, I completely agree. Nomads... might be a close second, but after that they fell off for me. Even this live album couldn't save them, in my mind.
Pretty good rendition anyway...definitely livelier than the studio track, though I agree with hcaudill about the shrieking that lessens the recording.
At the risk of establishing myself as the resident live-track-hater here at RP, I have to say that this album epitomizes what I hate most about live recordings. Egged on by the crowd, the Girls lose all restraint and get shrieky and shrill. I love most of their music, but sometimes they persuade themselves that these songs rock when they really don't.
This is like John Cougar Mellencamp in bra and panties. Not sure if the mental image or the catterwauling is worse.
madtowner11 wrote:
I heard a rumor that the Indiglo girls hail from the Isle of Lesbos.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
moron
(sigh) In my opinion, this will forever be their best album.
I like this song fine, but not this live version. Too much screaming!
i appreciate this one, tonight.
madtowner11 wrote:
I heard a rumor that the Indiglo girls hail from the Isle of Lesbos.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't know if you were trying to be funny (unsuccessfully), or if you are being serious and you have been living under a rock for the past 15 years. Either way, your comment fell flat with me. Why does it matter what sexual preference the artist has?
Great song. I have not heard this live version before. I like it!
Thank god. A perfect antidote to that annoying, whiny Vyktoria Pratt Keating piece that preceded it.
Hearing this brings back great memories of Fall 1989 and just graduating from college. In fact, I saw Indigo Girls at Tipitina's in New Orleans in September '89. Great show , great time with my friends. Those first 4 IG albums are awesome.
I heard a rumor that the Indiglo girls hail from the Isle of Lesbos.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Can't get enough of the acoustic guitar, Emily and Amy's voice combination, great lyrics, powerful themes, and melodies. Saw them at Wolftrap in 1990, terrific; all their CDs are primo.
Heh, you can hear all the women scream when those first guitar chords hit. No question who it's going to be from the first chords. I'm going to dip over to LRC for a minute or two.
cyndromeda wrote:
my mama always said if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.....hmmm. :-$ 
Your mama's right, especially as this could be my favorite IG song. I even gave it a 2!
I absolutely love this song. The more Indigo Girls, the better!
Great song, great version, great band!!
An anthem - of pissed off'ness and need at the same time. Maybe just for gals - but its for all of us - straight, crooked, confused or flexible!
They don't sound lonely here, but actually a little demented. And pissed off.
I'm not sure if this approach is going to help with the loneliness thing.
Yee-haw! A great example of how a song can become even more visceral and raw with the absence of all but a couple of guitars. Great guitar solo work by Emily!
my mama always said if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.....hmmm. :-$
Love the guitar work! 
Originally Posted by blueslady:
I'm going to switch stations too if this top 40 stuff continues.I like to hear things that are DIFFERENT
you're kinda cranky. I think you should be happy your radio station is as good as this.
I\'m going to switch stations too if this top 40 stuff continues.I like to hear things that are DIFFERENT
What a raw, amazing version of this tune; the Indigo Girls put it all into every song, live.
What\'s with the insults being thrown around? \"Indigo Boys\" indeed.
Originally Posted by catmaven:
Given the title, this *might* be an intelligent song . . . maybe about geopolitical stuff . . . How exciting!
Ah, no--alas, now I hear "I'm lonely tonight." How hackneyed can you get.
I thought this group had a rep for being cutting edge.
At least the guitar work is . . . scintillating and the singing delivery is stimulating. Now if they could only get some intelligent lyrics . . . I have heard eclectic rock tonight, but little that was
intelligent.
(Mixed emotions here.) 
While this song may not be intelligent enough for you, I find calling oneself "not your Land of Canaan" very thought provoking.
And who says being lonely means you lack intelligence? I don't understand your arguments here....
Given the title, this *might* be an intelligent song . . . maybe about geopolitical stuff . . . How exciting!
Ah, no--alas, now I hear "I'm lonely tonight." How hackneyed can you get.
I thought this group had a rep for being cutting edge.
At least the guitar work is . . . scintillating and the singing delivery is stimulating. Now if they could only get some intelligent lyrics . . . I have heard eclectic rock tonight, but little that was
intelligent.
(Mixed emotions here.)
What an outstanding tune. I love how much energy they put into their music. :D
1200 Curfews is a wonderful collection of songs - nice choice. And as soon as I hear Amy's voice bust into this song, I go crazy!!! YAY GIRLS!!!!
As Mr. Horse would say, \"No Sir, I don\'t like it. Not one little bit.\"