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haresfur
Location: The Golden Triangle Gender:
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Feb 24, 2021 - 12:59am |
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kurtster wrote: Is there anything you will not tax or not want taxed ?
A serious question as you seem to want to tax behaviour for punitive reasons.
Can't speak for westslope but I'd say tampons. But taxing products to cover costs incurred by others isn't punative
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 23, 2021 - 7:55pm |
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westslope wrote:In fact, regulators should really add excise taxes to electricity because not all the social and environmental costs are covered by market-determined prices.
Is there anything you will not tax or not want taxed ? A serious question as you seem to want to tax behaviour for punitive reasons.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 23, 2021 - 5:36pm |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Not quite sure why this topic has ended up in this thread but isn't the critical technical issue with renewables keeping grid stability? Remote, independent generation is all well and good but if you want an interregional grid to function, you need a stable source of power to cover your base load with enough resources available to come quickly online to handle peaks (at least as I understand it - total non-techie here). Just one more reason as I see it to invest in 4-gen nuclear. My wife is in the German Green party, so we are at loggerheads on this, but even in her party they are worried about grid stability now that renewables account for so much of the nation's generating capacity and both coal and nuclear are getting phased out.
This discussion wound up in this thread because it's fashionable to blame the Texas grid's collapse on capitalism (because everything is capitalism's fault, and if you can mumble the magical incantation "deregulation" you get bonus anti-capitalism points) so why not? The grid's purpose is to distribute power from where it's made to where it's needed. Renewables—at least distributed renewables—aren't a particular problem for grid stability precisely because they're distributed. Grid stability breaks down when big changes happen all of a sudden, like a critical line or a point source going down. When a small draw turns into a small supply that's still a small change, even if it happens quickly. To harden a grid against disruption you need sources you can ramp up and down quickly, but you need distributed sources. That way you can lose large parts of the grid but keep it online.
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Feb 23, 2021 - 2:30pm |
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rhahl wrote: Good piece. To nuance, aggregate demand for electricity is price inelastic. Consumers still respond to price incentives. In fact, regulators should really add excise taxes to electricity because not all the social and environmental costs are covered by market-determined prices.
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Feb 23, 2021 - 2:21pm |
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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:.... didn't know he was still alive. ... James is the son of John Kenneth Galbraith. I met senior Galbraith once when I was a graduate student/peace and disarmament researcher and active in the movement.
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NoEnzLefttoSplit
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Feb 23, 2021 - 11:03am |
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rhahl wrote:Harvard Kennedy School’s William Hogan is credited with designing the Texas energy market. As Texans froze and their water pipes burst, he reportedly remarked that the state’s energy market has functioned as designed. didn't know he was still alive. The problem is that electricity demand is inelastic: it doesn’t respond much to price, but it does respond to weather. In times of extreme heat or cold, demand becomes even more inelastic. And, unlike in an ordinary market, supply must equal demand every minute of every day. If it doesn’t, the entire system can fail...
...The new system did work most of the time. Prices rose and fell. Customers who didn’t sign long-term contracts faced some risk. One provider, called Griddy, had a special model: for a $9.99 monthly membership fee, you could get your power at the wholesale price. Most of the time, that was cheap. But people don’t need electricity “most of the time”; they need it all the time. And, at least by 2011, when Texas experienced a short, severe freeze, the state’s leaders knew that the system was radically unstable in extreme weather. The system’s architects knew it as well, whatever they say now.
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rhahl
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Feb 23, 2021 - 10:57am |
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Harvard Kennedy School’s William Hogan is credited with designing the Texas energy market. As Texans froze and their water pipes burst, he reportedly remarked that the state’s energy market has functioned as designed.
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NoEnzLefttoSplit
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Feb 23, 2021 - 10:43am |
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Lazy8 wrote:Red_Dragon wrote:I'd like to see the electric utilities start turning into providers of individual solar farms/roofs. They could install the systems and lease them to individual customers. In this way, "the grid" could be done away with incrementally. Utilities are poorly equipped to do this, and there are numerous more-agile (and more innovative) players taking on this role. If your expertise is connecting power suppliers to users stick to that. There is nothing inherently wrong with that as a practice or a business model. After all, a grid is nothing but a way for those with surplus power to share it with those without enough. The fact (and it is a fact) that maintaining that grid takes labor, materials, land, and energy means it has to be paid for. It's worth having and it's worth paying for. If you don't want to share power with your neighbors then reconcile yourself to occasionally shivvering in the dark or having your generation system sit there idle when your battery is charged but the sun is shining. Not quite sure why this topic has ended up in this thread but isn't the critical technical issue with renewables keeping grid stability? Remote, independent generation is all well and good but if you want an interregional grid to function, you need a stable source of power to cover your base load with enough resources available to come quickly online to handle peaks (at least as I understand it - total non-techie here). Just one more reason as I see it to invest in 4-gen nuclear. My wife is in the German Green party, so we are at loggerheads on this, but even in her party they are worried about grid stability now that renewables account for so much of the nation's generating capacity and both coal and nuclear are getting phased out.
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Lazy8
Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana Gender:
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Feb 23, 2021 - 8:20am |
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Red_Dragon wrote:
I'd like to see the electric utilities start turning into providers of individual solar farms/roofs. They could install the systems and lease them to individual customers. In this way, "the grid" could be done away with incrementally.
Utilities are poorly equipped to do this, and there are numerous more-agile (and more innovative) players taking on this role. If your expertise is connecting power suppliers to users stick to that. There is nothing inherently wrong with that as a practice or a business model. After all, a grid is nothing but a way for those with surplus power to share it with those without enough. The fact (and it is a fact) that maintaining that grid takes labor, materials, land, and energy means it has to be paid for. It's worth having and it's worth paying for. If you don't want to share power with your neighbors then reconcile yourself to occasionally shivvering in the dark or having your generation system sit there idle when your battery is charged but the sun is shining.
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miamizsun
Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:
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Feb 23, 2021 - 5:05am |
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islander wrote:This is the right way. We do marine stuff now, but are branching out into off-grid. We are looking at grid tie, but regulation in the US is really difficult and is structured to make it hard for small guys and always favors the big providers - I bet you know a thing or two about this. Our neighbors to the south are generally much better (probably partly because their grids are pretty spotty to begin with). I'm pitching several small installs of self generation systems (solar w/ battery storage). Basically size the units for close to peak load. Then you can store surplus most of the day, you can use your own solar power to crank the AC in the afternoon for free, and then use the excess at night. If you run low or don't produce enough to cover peak, you can use the grid power everything. Most places down south(of the boarder) will let you return excess to the grid as well. You spin the meter backwards and get a credit, they don't have to have as much supply when your neighbor kicks on the coffee pot in the morning. It's a win/win. We are a Victron dealer now, and they have some really cool stuff. They do end to end systems (at least in places where they can import solar panels), and have a really nice ability to build from 2KW up to 60KW three phase, self consumption, grid tie, all kinds of options for putting it together. And then you can go online and monitor it from wherever you are: https://vrm.victronenergy.com/... yes solar capture/storage has come a long and it is getting better it's also good at rural/isolated and ancillary applications (cost and speed) key major infrastructure needs reliability and density small modular reactors should be the base/core energy supply smart nuclear is safe and extremely green too i see space for both in the solution re-centering edit: we need capital and markets to help with innovation and production
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islander
Location: West coast somewhere Gender:
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Feb 22, 2021 - 9:26am |
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Red_Dragon wrote: islander wrote:
Smaller, standardized reactors are a better solution for now. But storage technologies have come a LONG way in a very short timeframe. Many are to the point now where they are a competitive solution - especially for smaller loads and remote locations. Depending on your peak loading (especially if peak is mostly for AC during the hot/sunny day), up to about ~50KW it really makes more sense to do a PV installation with some flavor of battery or other energy storage.
I'd like to see the electric utilities start turning into providers of individual solar farms/roofs. They could install the systems and lease them to individual customers. In this way, "the grid" could be done away with incrementally. This is the right way. We do marine stuff now, but are branching out into off-grid. We are looking at grid tie, but regulation in the US is really difficult and is structured to make it hard for small guys and always favors the big providers - I bet you know a thing or two about this. Our neighbors to the south are generally much better (probably partly because their grids are pretty spotty to begin with). I'm pitching several small installs of self generation systems (solar w/ battery storage). Basically size the units for close to peak load. Then you can store surplus most of the day, you can use your own solar power to crank the AC in the afternoon for free, and then use the excess at night. If you run low or don't produce enough to cover peak, you can use the grid power everything. Most places down south(of the boarder) will let you return excess to the grid as well. You spin the meter backwards and get a credit, they don't have to have as much supply when your neighbor kicks on the coffee pot in the morning. It's a win/win. We are a Victron dealer now, and they have some really cool stuff. They do end to end systems (at least in places where they can import solar panels), and have a really nice ability to build from 2KW up to 60KW three phase, self consumption, grid tie, all kinds of options for putting it together. And then you can go online and monitor it from wherever you are: https://vrm.victronenergy.com/...
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Feb 22, 2021 - 8:59am |
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kurtster,
Cheap energy is a delusion.
Instead of paying now, you pay with greater macroeconomic instability, poor health outcomes and dead Americans. ~70 dead Texans and still rising.
Given all the American citizens that have built homes in flood plains and exposed coastal littoral zones, do you support climate change denial kurtster? Of course you do. It might be an effective tool for population control kurtster, so I can see some of the advantages to climate change denial.
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rgio
Location: West Jersey Gender:
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Feb 22, 2021 - 8:07am |
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Red_Dragon wrote:
islander wrote:
Smaller, standardized reactors are a better solution for now. But storage technologies have come a LONG way in a very short timeframe. Many are to the point now where they are a competitive solution - especially for smaller loads and remote locations. Depending on your peak loading (especially if peak is mostly for AC during the hot/sunny day), up to about ~50KW it really makes more sense to do a PV installation with some flavor of battery or other energy storage.
I'd like to see the electric utilities start turning into providers of individual solar farms/roofs. They could install the systems and lease them to individual customers. In this way, "the grid" could be done away with incrementally.
Bill Gates is on it. First he has to get everyone vaccinated so he can track us... </sarcasm...about the vaccines, not his new reactors>
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Red_Dragon
Location: Dumbf*ckistan
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Feb 22, 2021 - 7:52am |
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islander wrote:
Smaller, standardized reactors are a better solution for now. But storage technologies have come a LONG way in a very short timeframe. Many are to the point now where they are a competitive solution - especially for smaller loads and remote locations. Depending on your peak loading (especially if peak is mostly for AC during the hot/sunny day), up to about ~50KW it really makes more sense to do a PV installation with some flavor of battery or other energy storage.
I'd like to see the electric utilities start turning into providers of individual solar farms/roofs. They could install the systems and lease them to individual customers. In this way, "the grid" could be done away with incrementally.
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islander
Location: West coast somewhere Gender:
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Feb 22, 2021 - 6:58am |
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miamizsun wrote: kurtster wrote:Cheap energy lifts all boats.
Benefits the poorest the most.
Facilitates stability and a higher standard of living. energy density matters too that and freed markets some of the poorest parts of the world are also the sunniest solar is a natural fit for some of that, but we will need storage and eventually something more reliable new designs of small modular reactors should fill that bill especially if people are concerned about CO2 Smaller, standardized reactors are a better solution for now. But storage technologies have come a LONG way in a very short timeframe. Many are to the point now where they are a competitive solution - especially for smaller loads and remote locations. Depending on your peak loading (especially if peak is mostly for AC during the hot/sunny day), up to about ~50KW it really makes more sense to do a PV installation with some flavor of battery or other energy storage.
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miamizsun
Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:
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Feb 22, 2021 - 4:52am |
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rhahl wrote:The real tragedy here is that so few Texans have light insurance. I hear Biden is proposing a plan, Electricare, to pay 80% of monthly electricity bills above a $1,000 deductible for those over 65, and would pay $12,601.60 in this situation, if the rate payer was over 65 as of last Friday. For those who don't qualify for Electricare and are below the poverty line there will be Electricaid, why not? And if the customer happened to own equity in a house, Electricaid expenses can be clawed back after death, and split pro rata with Medicaid expenses if any. The Medicaid system is objecting to this provision of the bill. i doubt that these nutty charges will be enforced or that they're even accurate
we'll see what happens
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rhahl
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Feb 22, 2021 - 4:27am |
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westslope wrote: rhahl wrote: Freedom, my boy. That is the price of FREEDOM! Now back to regular programming in the Disunited States of America. DSA for the friends. The real tragedy here is that so few Texans have light insurance. I hear Biden is proposing a plan, Electricare, to pay 80% of monthly electricity bills above a $1,000 deductible for those over 65, and would pay $12,601.60 in this situation, if the rate payer was over 65 as of last Friday. For those who don't qualify for Electricare and are below the poverty line there will be Electricaid, why not? And if the customer happened to own equity in a house, Electricaid expenses can be clawed back after death, and split pro rata with Medicaid expenses if any. The Medicaid system is objecting to this provision of the bill.
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miamizsun
Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP) Gender:
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Feb 22, 2021 - 4:08am |
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kurtster wrote:Cheap energy lifts all boats.
Benefits the poorest the most.
Facilitates stability and a higher standard of living. energy density matters too that and freed markets some of the poorest parts of the world are also the sunniest solar is a natural fit for some of that, but we will need storage and eventually something more reliable new designs of small modular reactors should fill that bill especially if people are concerned about CO2
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Feb 21, 2021 - 9:05pm |
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westslope wrote:NoEndslefttoSplit (sp?) makes many excellent points.
What are just some of the wonderful features of the Nordic social democracies? Secure economic property rights for one. A willingness to use price mechanisms to solve market failures as liberal economists would see them.
It really bugs the shit out of me how many North American, well, mostly American political leaders will design incentive structures that are oblivious to how the burden of risk is shared and distributed. They also seem oblivious to the notion that systems can be designed to provide incentives to conserve without invoking/imposing massive windfall gains or losses.
The USA really should put this national cheap energy entitlement obsession behind it. For the benefit of all Americans. I absolutely disagree. Cheap energy lifts all boats. Benefits the poorest the most. Facilitates stability and a higher standard of living. Facilitates domestic manufacturing which keeps money within the country and provides jobs as well. Tesla was all about free electricity. Almost a Zero Point solution relatively speaking. Bet you have a problem with him for that.
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westslope
Location: BC sage brush steppe
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Feb 21, 2021 - 4:20pm |
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NoEndslefttoSplit (sp?) makes many excellent points.
What are just some of the wonderful features of the Nordic social democracies? Secure economic property rights for one. A willingness to use price mechanisms to solve market failures as liberal economists would see them.
It really bugs the shit out of me how many North American, well, mostly American political leaders will design incentive structures that are oblivious to how the burden of risk is shared and distributed. They also seem oblivious to the notion that systems can be designed to provide incentives to conserve without invoking/imposing massive windfall gains or losses.
The USA really should put this national cheap energy entitlement obsession behind it. For the benefit of all Americans.
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