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MK is confused? Or you're confused?

So, MK, basically your take is, don't confuse you with the fact, right?

So, MK, basically your take is, don't confuse you with the fact, right?

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:

RCP Average	12/1 - 12/15	—	45.0	48.0	-3.0
FOX News	12/14 - 12/15	900 RV	40	51	-11
Gallup	12/13 - 12/15	1547 A	45	46	-1
Rasmussen Reports	12/13 - 12/15	1500 LV	47	53	-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	12/9 - 12/13	1000 A	45	48	-3
ABC News/Wash Post	12/9 - 12/12	1001 A	49	47	+2
McClatchy/Marist	12/2 - 12/8	873 RV	42	50	-8
Bloomberg	12/4 - 12/7	1000 A	47	48	-1
Reuters/Ipsos	12/2 - 12/5	1028 A	45	46	-1
Pew Research	12/1 - 12/5	1500 A	45	43	+2

Possibly as pointless as approval rates? (Gallup:)



Obviously Glenn Beck isn't Fox, he's merely an employee hosting a show with political commentary on the Fox News Channel.

40%...45%...whatever; he's a long way down from where he was 2 years ago....even a year ago. And I note that the numbers are declining......

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:

RCP Average	12/1 - 12/15	—	45.0	48.0	-3.0
FOX News	12/14 - 12/15	900 RV	40	51	-11
Gallup	12/13 - 12/15	1547 A	45	46	-1
Rasmussen Reports	12/13 - 12/15	1500 LV	47	53	-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	12/9 - 12/13	1000 A	45	48	-3
ABC News/Wash Post	12/9 - 12/12	1001 A	49	47	+2
McClatchy/Marist	12/2 - 12/8	873 RV	42	50	-8
Bloomberg	12/4 - 12/7	1000 A	47	48	-1
Reuters/Ipsos	12/2 - 12/5	1028 A	45	46	-1
Pew Research	12/1 - 12/5	1500 A	45	43	+2

Pointless. Likeable or not, Mr. Obama, according to Gallup, now sits at a new low of approval: 40%.
Liking Mr. Obama is not going to help the unemployed nor make his decided Liberal agenda more palatable to most.
And, despite some wrongheaded notions, Glenn Beck is not FOX.

Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid

...The conclusion is inescapable. Fox News is deliberately misinforming its viewers and it is doing so for a reason. Every issue above is one in which the Republican Party had a vested interest. The GOP benefited from the ignorance that Fox News helped to proliferate. The results were apparent in the election last month as voters based their decisions on demonstrably false information fed to them by Fox News. ...

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:

RCP Average	12/1 - 12/15	—	45.0	48.0	-3.0
FOX News	12/14 - 12/15	900 RV	40	51	-11
Gallup	12/13 - 12/15	1547 A	45	46	-1
Rasmussen Reports	12/13 - 12/15	1500 LV	47	53	-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	12/9 - 12/13	1000 A	45	48	-3
ABC News/Wash Post	12/9 - 12/12	1001 A	49	47	+2
McClatchy/Marist	12/2 - 12/8	873 RV	42	50	-8
Bloomberg	12/4 - 12/7	1000 A	47	48	-1
Reuters/Ipsos	12/2 - 12/5	1028 A	45	46	-1
Pew Research	12/1 - 12/5	1500 A	45	43	+2

Pointless. Likeable or not, Mr. Obama, according to Gallup, now sits at a new low of approval: 40%.
Liking Mr. Obama is not going to help the unemployed nor make his decided Liberal agenda more palatable to most.
And, despite some wrongheaded notions, Glenn Beck is not FOX.

From today's Wall Street Journal :
In other words, Obama Derangement Syndrome, which dominates at Fox News and throughout the right-wing media, is not the norm. This obsessive desire to tear down Obama and present him as a monstrous man determined to destroy the United States from within (I'm looking at you Glenn Beck) is a distinctly radical view among Americans.

That's worth keeping in mind next time you tune into Fox News.

First off, let me say I agree with Knut about MSNBC.  Olbermann's commentaries can be good and insightful at times (heavy handed, but good nonetheless), but I quit watching because I couldn't stomach his ending segment about tacky people like the Octomom, Sarah Palin, Kate what's-her-name, Donald Trump, OJ Simpson, etc. However, I think MSNBC's demise started with them becoming as blatantly biased as Fox News.  That MSNBC morning show is such nonsense, but I think all of those morning shows are nonsense. 

Now about Fox's morning show: it started out promising with a diverse trio of co-anchors (an African American man, a scatterbrained blonde haired woman and a homosexual).  But behind that seemingly cheerful facade, the tone of that show was no better than that time spent around the water cooler with that terminally PO'd co-worker.  I've even seen the weather man on Fox make backhanded remarks about the president or Harry Reid.  I asked a regular viewer of the show about that.  His response was that they have been doing stuff like that for years on NBC.  Maybe so, but not to that degree.  I don't recall Willard Scott or Gene Shalit dissing Reagan or Bush while showing storm fronts or waxing about the latest Dudley Moore film.  

 musik_knut wrote:

With all that said, when a news story breaks, how is it that FOX sucks? When the Chilean miners were being rescued, FOX stayed on the story while MSNBC had drifted off to a story important to mostly liberals, meanwhile CNN floundered elsewhere.  

I think therein lies the secret of Fox's success.  Chilean miners have no bearing on how I make decisions in my life, impact the price of gasoline or shape policy where I live.  Yet some of us are drawn to things like that.  I think there is a specific demagraphic that they are trying to appeal to with such stories, a demagraphic more encompassing than just conservatives.  I'd be curious to know what that story was that was "important to mostly liberals".  I'd be willing to bet it was an issue that should be relevant to all voters/consumers/workers, but not near as sexy as rescuing people you've never met before in a continent south of here.  Sadly, most people are drawn to sensationalism, even moreso than information that has an impact on their day-to-day lives.  I think the only time I can recall Fox not covering a such a story was when Dick Cheney shot that guy in the face.  They even went so far as to say it wasn't that big of a deal, which I guess it wasn't, since that guy apologized to Cheney once the stitches were sown.

While I'm not trying to defend Olbermann's impartiality by any means, he probably stands atop the pile because you disagree with most of his views, relative to other commentators. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would hold that post for me. In my opinion, they are the embodiment of what is wrong with Fox News and conservative talk radio; however, I'm sure I feel that way in part because I disagree with most of the beliefs and viewpoints they are pushing.

The problem I have with Fox is that it pushes opinionated viewpoints as "news". (I have only watched MSNBC a couple of times, but you may share the same complaint concerning their network.) If you're going to be opinionated and biased, just admit that you are. Don't give me a tagline of "fair and balanced" when you're anything but.