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Probably the last time you saw Miles smile in public.
This was probably taken before he got his head bashed in by NYC cops, for standing outside of the night club he was headlining.
So I looked this story up. Bad case of racism there. About that incident Miles said he became cynical again about the state of the country at that time.
It wasn't the reason though Miles almost never smiled in public. Miles had a chronic hip problem causing pain and discomfort all the time. He was an heavy alcohol and drug user up to the point that it disabled him too much to work. Also he kept trying to innovate and a lot of the time he refused to play older music discarding it as dead and uninspiring. He was the textbook case of an perfectionist and by modern standards he was chronic depressed too.
Posted 2 years ago by On_The_Beach:Obviously subjective ... but, damn, greatest US musician ever?
Top ten without question, and a strong argument could be made for number one.
I believe Miles himself once said it was Louis Armstrong. It takes one to know one.
You can't say you are the greatest so Miles' answer is logically someone else.
Armstrong was obviously a great artist but I think Miles was a better and more innovative composer.
I'll drink to Much Jazz!!
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And to my ears, BillG doesn't play too much jazz at all.
Cheers and Long Live RP!!
I Agree!!
This was probably taken before he got his head bashed in by NYC cops, for standing outside of the night club he was headlining.
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We have other people too, like Jacob Collier, Steven Wilson, Dirty Loops. Lots and lots of really, really good stuff happening.
Yes! I am 67 & think that Billie Eilish has a GREAT voice. I like some of her stuff, not all of it.
Just genius - but instead we have Billie Eilish.
We have other people too, like Jacob Collier, Steven Wilson, Dirty Loops. Lots and lots of really, really good stuff happening.
I worked graveyards at a hotel front desk that played jazz as the taped lobby music. Month one was complete misery. By month 3, I was in love with Miles. Stole the tape outta the deck on my last shift...couldn't bear to part with it...
@sfoster66...this is one of my favorite RP song comment stories ever.
My workplace theft story isn't music related, but makes me smile 25 years later that I snagged the ashtray from the smoking section of the call center where I met my wife, and I don't even smoke anymore!
Long Live RP and funny work-place-theft-stories?!!
I wish there was a Jazz channel on RP. I am sure that is not a simple request for @BillG to implement... One can hope though.
The reason is that when I listen to an FM Jazz program, I usually do not like it so much. On RP, I do. I love this....9.
yes it would be amazing to have RP run a Jazz channel!
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for the love of god....
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This sounds like a precursor to Kind of Blue.
I wish there was a Jazz channel on RP. I am sure that is not a simple request for @BillG to implement... One can hope though.
The reason is that when I listen to an FM Jazz program, I usually do not like it so much. On RP, I do. I love this....9.
I definitely agree, an RP jazz channel would be great.
Until that time, there is
kmhd.org
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I'll drink to Much Jazz!!
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And to my ears, BillG doesn't play too much jazz at all.
Cheers and Long Live RP!!
I wish there was a Jazz channel on RP. I am sure that is not a simple request for @BillG to implement... One can hope though.
The reason is that when I listen to an FM Jazz program, I usually do not like it so much. On RP, I do. I love this....9.
Miles has a way of grabbing a tune and playing it like he is the only person capable of interpreting it fully. Amazingly talented.
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Obviously subjective ... but, damn, greatest US musician ever?
Top ten without question, and a strong argument could be made for number one.
I believe Miles himself once said it was Louis Armstrong. It takes one to know one.
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I'll drink to Much Jazz!!
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And to my ears, BillG doesn't play too much jazz at all.
Cheers and Long Live RP!!
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Just sweet.
Top ten without question, and a strong argument could be made for number one.
the 'original' for me was on the album, Herbie Mann live at the village gate. Still my benchmark.
Absolutely!
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so smooth ..... so chilling ...... one of the reasons I love listening to RP ... they just throw these gems in ....
Amen
I was just noticing that. Interesting ...
Yes, subjective! But damn good on the brass!!
Davis and Evans were such a great combination. Classic fifties daddy-o!
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Great idea, a part of the vibe in my life!
I've listened to that album a hundred times and this song ain't on it.
This sounds like something from "Birth of Cool"...a bigger band sound.
It's from Porgy and Bess.
Great idea, a part of the vibe in my life!
I've listened to that album a hundred times and this song ain't on it.
This sounds like something from "Birth of Cool"...a bigger band sound.
he did a lot of Gershwin, and the Porgy and Bess album is fantastic - his version of Sumertime is amazing. And, of course, Miles being Miles, it's not like anyone else's version.
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Just about everyone does at some point. This track was originally on his album "Porgy and Bess".
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amprich wrote:
You can get a buzz off that album.
This dates from the era when MD actually faced the audience BTW.
It's hard to argue with a statement like this because it's your opinion and because Miles was so HUGE. However, for all of music, much less jazz in particular, this view is problematic. Miles was never the guy who invented new styles or genres, he really was a genius at observing what was going on around him musically and than trying to bring that to a more main stream audience - as was the case with "Kind of Blue" which didn't invent modal jazz, but it brought it into the living rooms of the Frank Sinatra set. Also remember, without Bill Evans on Piano, there is no KOB.
As far as musicians go, I think even Miles would admit that he stood on the shoulders of giants like Armstrong, Parker, and Gillespie.
But perhaps your central point has more to do with Miles' vast and unique career as a one-of-a-kind collaborator. To that point he arguably stands alone among 20th century musicians - but than all music has an element of collaboration. Can you see why your statements are problematic?
Appreciate your comment and taking the time to reply...but... you have totally missed what i was saying .. he Delved into all genre's of music I did not say he created them He did not stay in the one genre but experimented with all kinds with Jazz being the main theme. this he continued all his life never standing still stuck in one form of music. And as for saying the Bill Evans made the Album 'Kind Of Blue' that is not an appropriate statement Bill played piano, Miles played trumpet and together they created the Album so to take either away there of course would be no Album, and I dont agree that they created the Album to target the Frank Sinatra etc. market now that statement to me is 'Problomatic' But you are entitled to your opinions ...and thanks to Bill (RP Bill) I have now dug out the 'Porgy & Bess' Album and am taking it with me on a road trip today. Good listening to all. °º©©º° KJ
It's hard to argue with a statement like this because it's your opinion and because Miles was so HUGE. However, for all of music, much less jazz in particular, this view is problematic. Miles was never the guy who invented new styles or genres, he really was a genius at observing what was going on around him musically and than trying to bring that to a more main stream audience - as was the case with "Kind of Blue" which didn't invent modal jazz, but it brought it into the living rooms of the Frank Sinatra set. Also remember, without Bill Evans on Piano, there is no KOB.
As far as musicians go, I think even Miles would admit that he stood on the shoulders of giants like Armstrong, Parker, and Gillespie.
But perhaps your central point has more to do with Miles' vast and unique career as a one-of-a-kind collaborator. To that point he arguably stands alone among 20th century musicians - but than all music has an element of collaboration. Can you see why your statements are problematic?
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He looks pretty good there for just being born. The color is also great for 1926....
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Oh yes it is.
Not very much so, if you ask me.
Edit:
Well, yes, it does, etymologically, if you understand jazzy as a synonym of wild; because a Big Band usually sounds rather smooth. Yeah, I can see what you mean.
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Fun with adjectives, by my question is serious. Anybody know where this part of the tradition came from?
OK, here's my take, for what it's worth: Miles' playing is pure and sublime, and when the big band chimes in, it is a loud and complicated sound. So the juxtaposition is jarring. I love it, but I can understand that it might not be to your taste.
Sorry, but unless my musician's ear has suddenly gone dead—and both my wife and daughter have asserted this lately when I sing Christmas carols—but, I'm sorry, I just don't hear one discordant chord in this. Yes, Miles charts some minor thirds and fifths in otherwise major chords, but all that does is make another chord. You want discordant, try Stockhausen or some free jazz. This is pretty tame by those standards.
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Bill, you need to add Miles' "So What!" with Coltrane...THE ULTIMATE!! Here is the Video on You Tube.... (click here)
Hey Thanx PD for the link am DL'ing now. How Cool is that man . Takes a smoke break whilst Coltrane is doing his piece..lol... that was the days before 'Chewing Gum' lol
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Instead of blaming the song, why don't you just admit that you don't like jazz?
Miles was always looking to break with convention, and the only tradition from which this could derive is the very one that tries to subvert the rules, including this popular notion that music has to be euphonious.
If this is "bloody jarringly...." to you, you might also want to avoid the works of Albert Ayler, Brotzman, even later period Coltrane.
Man, I just don't hear it — this song is beauty musicified to my ears. Maybe my ears are tuned to discordant. . .?
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Too bad; guess you'll have to replace it.
Great song, though!