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black321

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 8:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

Um, like you in another thread, I was being facetious.  Do go back and look at who and what I responding to.

I am all for personal responsibility.  Isn't that one of the major differences between being an adult and a juvenile ? 

I had to look up existentialism to understand what you were getting at by taking my remark seriously.  Interesting concept.  Sounds like the justifying principal for the creation of the Nanny State if I understand the concept properly.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 6:55pm

 black321 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

How about we just outlaw personal responsibility and make it simple ?
Sounds like you're an existentialist. 
 
Um, like you in another thread, I was being facetious.  Do go back and look at who and what I responding to.

I am all for personal responsibility.  Isn't that one of the major differences between being an adult and a juvenile ? 

I had to look up existentialism to understand what you were getting at by taking my remark seriously.  Interesting concept.  Sounds like the justifying principal for the creation of the Nanny State if I understand the concept properly.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 4:15pm

 Steely_D wrote:

.... Oh, and why are kids feeling so hopeless these days, while we're at it?




Lack of exercise.   Too much processed food based on corn starch.  Social media makes them feel inadequate.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 3:09pm

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I took it as a bit of sarcasm. 

Any suggestion of scarring only reinforces the absolute insanity of our existing policies and the vast majorities willingness to ignore common sense while allowing a very well organized and vocal minority to intentionally misinterpreting a 225 year old document.


Yep. I think it was wrong to teach all the kids during that period that there was 1) imminent horrible death any moment and 2) here's something that's your responsibility or you're doomed.

Same now. 1) There's this random shooter that's gonna come in one day although it's fantastically unlikely and 2) you need a bullet-proof backpack and A Plan or you'll be the one on the floor. All that anxiety laid on top of those absorbing minds, who haven't lived in this world for decades and can't contextualize things as likely or unlikely - they can only be as afraid as the "bleeds/ledes" media tell them to be. Oh, and why are kids feeling so hopeless these days, while we're at it?



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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 1:12pm

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But how scarred are my generation that had to hide under the desks as practice for when the Commies drip The Big One?


drip The Big One?   Interesting typo.    Back then, limited regional nuclear war was not on the agenda.   Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) was intuitively and very thankfully understood by many.

Scarred?  Perhaps but unlikely.  Influenced?  Yes.   I am thankful.  Those of us privileged to live in rich western democracies enjoyed an unprecedented period of peace.  

Going forward, I see the world as much less secure and stable.   Limited regional nuclear war is far more likely due to US 'good guy versus bad buy' decisions on nuclear weapons proliferation.   Not all Americans will die, only 25 to 100 million depending.  

What is really scary Steely_D is that American political elites and voters appear to have a poor understanding of nuclear weapons technology and strategy.   Moreover, the same voters and political elites appear to believe that it is OK for the US and close allies, in particular Israel, to have an innate right to 'kill and take' and destroy the communities of others.  


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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:39pm

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Not sure where you are going with this but it's an odd sentiment - "back in my day, the threat of instant total anhelation was hanging over us. Now you kids only have to live with the statistically minimal chance of being gunned down. Plus, if it happens you'll probably have time to use your cell phones to call your parents and say goodbye".

I took it as a bit of sarcasm. 

Any suggestion of scarring only reinforces the absolute insanity of our existing policies and the vast majorities willingness to ignore common sense while allowing a very well organized and vocal minority to intentionally misinterpreting a 225 year old document.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:30pm

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Not sure where you are going with this but it's an odd sentiment - "back in my day, the threat of instant total anhelation was hanging over us. Now you kids only have to live with the statistically minimal chance of being gunned down. Plus, if it happens you'll probably have time to use your cell phones to call your parents and say goodbye".

EM pulse. Not going to happen.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:27pm

 Steely_D wrote:

But how scarred are my generation that had to hide under the desks as practice for when the Commies drip The Big One?



Not sure where you are going with this but it's an odd sentiment - "back in my day, the threat of instant total anhelation was hanging over us. Now you kids only have to live with the statistically minimal chance of being gunned down. Plus, if it happens you'll probably have time to use your cell phones to call your parents and say goodbye".
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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 12:02pm

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But how scarred are my generation that had to hide under the desks as practice for when the Commies drip The Big One?


one example from todd...


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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 11:36am

 rgio wrote:

Generations of children will spend 12+ years of their lives hiding in classrooms just in case an active shooter arrives at their school.  

But how scarred are my generation that had to hide under the desks as practice for when the Commies drop The Big One? (edit - fixed typo)


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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 11:17am

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That's one of the better comments I have read on the gun debate in quite some time.

Listened to a piece on NPR the other day describing how new schools are being designed with a view to minimizing the carnage of shootings.   That is so sad....

Generations of children will spend 12+ years of their lives hiding in classrooms just in case an active shooter arrives at their school.  

Good thing they can't talk about homosexuality or how bad white kids used to feel when slavery was taught.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 10:47am

 islander wrote:

If only the founders had thought to add children to the list of things that are sacred in the bill of rights.



That's one of the better comments I have read on the gun debate in quite some time.

Listened to a piece on NPR the other day describing how new schools are being designed with a view to minimizing the carnage of shootings.   That is so sad....

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Posted: Mar 23, 2023 - 9:30am

 kurtster wrote:

How about we just outlaw personal responsibility and make it simple ?


Sounds like you're an existentialist. 
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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 9:01pm

 kurtster wrote:

How about we just outlaw personal responsibility and make it simple ?

How about we admit that leaving everything up to personal responsibility is a failure when trying to prevent or minimize violence?

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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 8:55pm

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Guns are just things. We can't outlaw things. It's a slippery slope, you know.
 
How about we just outlaw personal responsibility and make it simple ?
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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 8:49pm

 islander wrote:

If only the founders had thought to add children to the list of things that are sacred in the bill of rights.




right?
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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 8:07pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Guns are just things. We can't outlaw things. It's a slippery slope, you know.

If only the founders had thought to add children to the list of things that are sacred in the bill of rights.


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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 5:32pm

 black321 wrote:

A student shot two staff members at Denver East HS.  

The shooting at East High is the 83rd shooting on a K-12 school campus this calendar year, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database. Last year saw the most incidents of gunfire on school grounds in the U.S. since at least 1970, according to the database.

I mean, there may be over a 100,000 schools in the US, but this is still a stat we can't live with. 




That's only 0.083% of the schools. At this rate it will take over 1000 years to have a shooting at every school. But was your 100,000 schools all schools or K-12 schools?
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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 5:09pm

 islander wrote:


If we would just open more schools, the percentage would be much lower.  Although it would be easier just to stop keeping track, or put a cap on the number of them you count, or just count eastbound shootings. I'm sure there are other ways to minimize SHOOTINGS with GUNS, but I can't think of any right now.



Guns are just things. We can't outlaw things. It's a slippery slope, you know.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2023 - 5:05pm

 black321 wrote:

A student shot two staff members at Denver East HS.  

The shooting at East High is the 83rd shooting on a K-12 school campus this calendar year, according to the K-12 School Shooting Database. Last year saw the most incidents of gunfire on school grounds in the U.S. since at least 1970, according to the database.

I mean, there may be over a 100,000 schools in the US, but this is still a stat we can't live with. 




If we would just open more schools, the percentage would be much lower.  Although it would be easier just to stop keeping track, or put a cap on the number of them you count, or just count eastbound shootings. I'm sure there are other ways to minimize SHOOTINGS with GUNS, but I can't think of any right now.

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