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rgio

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:31am

 islander wrote:
Don't forget that William Barr ...

Bill doesn't want to be forgotten...so much so that he's now on Fox telling them that Biden is the threat to democracy.  I guess the book tours and speaking engagements aren't what he thought they'd be when he spoke out... so go back to the cult and get paid.


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:12am

 VV wrote:

Sound familiar?
 
But if I need to knock you over the head with a hammer... Trump would have been brought up on charges whether or not he decided to run. The election interference argument just plays well with his MAGA minions, willing and eager to look for any reason to excuse him for his actions and set him up as their personal martyr. But you know this already.



Don't forget that William Barr spent years trying to bury this whole thing. Even going as far as saying the prosecutor has resigned, while the prosecutor was publicly out saying "I HAVE NOT RESIGNED". That prosecutor was hanging on to place his successor so the case could continue in New York. That whole section of the story is just as wild.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/manhattan-u-s-attorney-geoffrey-berman-who-investigated-trump-associates-n1231628

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ousted-u-s-prosecutor-tells-panel-barr-urged-him-to-resign

This from the Trump justice department. While he screams that the Biden DOJ is corrupt. He only thinks it's corrupt because he knows it was when he ran it, and it's the only way he can see it operating.  Why would anyone not use the DOJ to punish their enemies?
Isabeau

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:11am

 Bill_J wrote:


The purpose of any prosecution is to hold anyone accountable for illegal actions. That's all that's going on here.



VV

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:11am

 Steely_D wrote:


Well, all this occurred in a political world, so saying that “this is all political” doesn’t really mean anything.


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:09am

 kurtster wrote:

So this is what you actually believe.  Nothing political about any of these prosecutions.

Ok.  Then let's lock him up for criminal contempt for violating the gag order. 

Right is right.  It is an open and shut case.  Trump can appeal it when he is released.


Well, all this occurred in a political world, so saying that “this is all political” doesn’t really mean anything.
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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 7:02am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:




And I'll keep repeating it till it comes out your ears.. Trump, whether consciously or not, is playing by Russia's playbook for destabilising foreign governments AND seems to be doing everything in his power to help Putin in Ukraine AND erode credibility in NATO and stoke unrest at home in the United States AND erode trust in the law. AND.. jeez.. do I need to go on?

He's a Russian asset and is out to weaken the United States.  Anyone still supporting him now after all that has gone down, is complicit in my view.



"Asset" may even be assigning more credit to him than is due. An "Asset" may well know the role he is playing in assisting Russia with the attempted destabilization of our democracy and erosion of our standing in NATO and with our allies. 
 
I'm not sure Trump recognizes or understands this. 
 
I would call him a Russian "Stooge" who was embedded at the highest level of our government... and may yet again be. 


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 5:18am

 kurtster wrote:

You answered my question with multiple questions instead of answering it.




And I'll keep repeating it till it comes out your ears.. Trump, whether consciously or not, is playing by Russia's playbook for destabilising foreign governments AND seems to be doing everything in his power to help Putin in Ukraine AND erode credibility in NATO and stoke unrest at home in the United States AND erode trust in the law. AND.. jeez.. do I need to go on?

He's a Russian asset and is out to weaken the United States.  Anyone still supporting him now after all that has gone down, is complicit in my view.


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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 5:09am

 kurtster wrote:

You answered my question with multiple questions instead of answering it.

Sound familiar?
 
But if I need to knock you over the head with a hammer... Trump would have been brought up on charges whether or not he decided to run. The election interference argument just plays well with his MAGA minions, willing and eager to look for any reason to excuse him for his actions and set him up as their personal martyr. But you know this already.

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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 4:55am

 VV wrote:
 So using your twisted logic you must believe that the only reason he’s being charged with anything at all is because he’s running again.
 
 If he wasn’t running… “Biden’s” DOJ wouldn’t be pursuing any charges. Would that be the flip-side of your coin?
 
Do you ever even stop to read your posts to see how foolish they sound?
 
You answered my question with multiple questions instead of answering it.
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Posted: Apr 18, 2024 - 4:49am

 kurtster wrote:

So what exactly is the purpose of all of these prosecutions ?

To keep Trump off of ballots ?

To taint him to the point of unelectability ?

Or

To lock him up for his crimes, whatever they might be ?

I would like to think that it is the last one.  The first two are clearly political election interference and anti democratic and are not working.

The last one is the only legitimate purpose as well.

So you have a bona fide chance to lock him up for criminal contempt.  Take it.  Do it.  It is the goal.  Yes or no ?


So using your twisted logic you must believe that the only reason he’s being charged with anything at all is because he’s running again.
 
 If he wasn’t running… “Biden’s” DOJ wouldn’t be pursuing any charges. Would that be the flip-side of your coin?
 
Do you ever even stop to read your posts to see how foolish they sound?
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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 6:58pm

 Bill_J wrote:
 The purpose of any prosecution is to hold anyone accountable for illegal actions. That's all that's going on here.
 
So this is what you actually believe.  Nothing political about any of these prosecutions.

Ok.  Then let's lock him up for criminal contempt for violating the gag order. 

Right is right.  It is an open and shut case.  Trump can appeal it when he is released.
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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 6:54pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what exactly is the purpose of all of these prosecutions ?

To keep Trump off of ballots ?

To taint him to the point of unelectability ?

Or

To lock him up for his crimes, whatever they might be ?

I would like to think that it is the last one.  The first two are clearly political election interference and anti democratic and are not working.

The last one is the only legitimate purpose as well.

So you have a bona fide chance to lock him up for criminal contempt.  Take it.  Do it.  It is the goal.  Yes or no ?


How about trump just not engaging in threatening justice workers and people in the jury? Yes, there is a two tier justice system and he is on the top tier, getting away with far more than most defendants would. If you want to be a politician, you can claim that anything opposing your actions is political, even if those actions include contempt of court. Just stop misbehavin

(And stop supporting pegople who rort the legal system)

I suspect his strategy is to set up a basis for drawing out the appeal process. "Holding me in contempt was unfair and should invalidate the trial" That is the scenario that the judge has to navigate.

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 6:23pm

 kurtster wrote:

So what exactly is the purpose of all of these prosecutions ?

To keep Trump off of ballots ?

To taint him to the point of unelectability ?

Or

To lock him up for his crimes, whatever they might be ?

I would like to think that it is the last one.  The first two are clearly political election interference and anti democratic and are not working.

The last one is the only legitimate purpose as well.

So you have a bona fide chance to lock him up for criminal contempt.  Take it.  Do it.  It is the goal.  Yes or no ?



The purpose of any prosecution is to hold anyone accountable for illegal actions. That's all that's going on here.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 6:05pm

Trump Supporter: “It doesn't matter what he (Trump) does. I'm going to vote for him.”
Reporter: “Even if he had a political opponent killed?”
Trump Supporter: “Absolutely.”
It's a cult.
If not in name, then in fact.
These Trump cultists have brainwashed themselves. They can't be reasoned with because they are not reasonable human beings. They are deeply unhappy people who've convinced themselves that they can only feel joy by inflicting pain and misery on others.
They can't lift themselves up, so they tear others down.
It is impossible for this ideology to create a better future (even for themselves) or to govern at a minimum level of competence. It's impossible. This ideology can ONLY destroy.
Hell, these people can't even live in peace with THEMSELVES, let alone the rest of us — and all you have to do is look at the current MAGA Republican House to see that.
You're not going to change their minds.
You can't.
Like alcoholism, they have to WANT to change first. And they don't. They enjoy this addiction, it makes them feel better about their own miserable existence. You can't save these people, but they can damn well drag YOU down with them.
You better show up.
You better do your duty, whether you want to or not, whether you like the choices or you don't. You better do your duty to the country, to the future, to yourselves.
Or you won't have a future.

~Jim Wright
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 4:36pm

So what exactly is the purpose of all of these prosecutions ?

To keep Trump off of ballots ?

To taint him to the point of unelectability ?

Or

To lock him up for his crimes, whatever they might be ?

I would like to think that it is the last one.  The first two are clearly political election interference and anti democratic and are not working.

The last one is the only legitimate purpose as well.

So you have a bona fide chance to lock him up for criminal contempt.  Take it.  Do it.  It is the goal.  Yes or no ?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 4:15pm

 Bill_J wrote:

I'd like to see the photos of him at all of his other children's high school graduations. Priceless moments I'm sure.



Hugh Betcha
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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 4:10pm

I'd like to see the photos of him at all of his other children's high school graduations. Priceless moments I'm sure.
Isabeau

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 1:01pm

Srsly? You guys are gonna jump on the sleep thang? Dude, we've got bets down heah on whether The Cantaloupe King can even make it alive to November.
You can't con your sub-conscience forever. It knows the jig is up.  There are some that believe all of this just may give the creature cancer. All the more soapy oprey for the Magas.

I'm surprised at you. Pace y'selves. This is a marathon, gentlemen.

kurtster

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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 10:55am

 Proclivities wrote: 
Yes an update.  Thanks. 

My knowledge of the issue predates your update.  Initially it was no way, José.

Was also part of the contempt of court issues he is facing.

Personally, I want him found in contempt and locked up as threatened.  Stop the bs and do it or shut up and move on.

But I really want him locked up.  The line needs to be crossed.  We need to see how far this will be taken for perspective and future reference purposes.
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Posted: Apr 17, 2024 - 10:40am

 kurtster wrote:

Hardly.  If he was he could go to his son's high school graduation without being thrown in jail for doing it.

Associated Press, April 15: Trump’s lawyers have requested that the trial not be held on May 17 so that the former president may attend his son Barron’s high school graduation. A Trump lawyer has also requested the trial not be held June 3 so that he could attend his own son’s graduation.
Merchan said he was not prepared to rule on either request, but that if the trial proceeds as planned he’s willing to adjourn for one or both days. “It really depends on how we’re doing on time and where we are in the trial,” Merchan said.

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