[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Radio Paradise Comments - GeneP59 - Jul 20, 2024 - 8:05am
 
Wordle - daily game - Proclivities - Jul 20, 2024 - 7:56am
 
Trump - Red_Dragon - Jul 20, 2024 - 7:53am
 
NYTimes Connections - Coaxial - Jul 20, 2024 - 7:51am
 
Today in History - DaveInSaoMiguel - Jul 20, 2024 - 7:32am
 
Gardeners Photos - Isabeau - Jul 20, 2024 - 7:04am
 
COVID-19 - Isabeau - Jul 20, 2024 - 6:40am
 
Climate Change - Isabeau - Jul 20, 2024 - 6:39am
 
Things You Thought Today - Isabeau - Jul 20, 2024 - 4:11am
 
Gotta Get Your Drink On - Steely_D - Jul 19, 2024 - 8:42pm
 
Joe Biden - Steely_D - Jul 19, 2024 - 8:40pm
 
The Human Condition - oldviolin - Jul 19, 2024 - 7:43pm
 
favorite love songs - oldviolin - Jul 19, 2024 - 7:38pm
 
2024 Elections! - Steely_D - Jul 19, 2024 - 6:40pm
 
The Republican Convention - Red_Dragon - Jul 19, 2024 - 6:37pm
 
Name My Band - haresfur - Jul 19, 2024 - 5:41pm
 
What makes you smile? - Steely_D - Jul 19, 2024 - 5:02pm
 
Positive Thoughts and Prayer Requests - oldviolin - Jul 19, 2024 - 4:50pm
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Jul 19, 2024 - 4:45pm
 
July 2024 Photo Theme - Summer - Isabeau - Jul 19, 2024 - 3:17pm
 
Russia - R_P - Jul 19, 2024 - 2:49pm
 
The Obituary Page - GeneP59 - Jul 19, 2024 - 12:00pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - RPnate1 - Jul 19, 2024 - 11:34am
 
NY Times Strands - geoff_morphini - Jul 19, 2024 - 9:57am
 
Israel - R_P - Jul 19, 2024 - 9:49am
 
Song of the Day - buddy - Jul 19, 2024 - 9:29am
 
Solar / Wind / Geothermal / Efficiency Energy - sunybuny - Jul 19, 2024 - 7:02am
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - hialtidude - Jul 19, 2024 - 6:58am
 
Republican Party - thisbody - Jul 18, 2024 - 11:03pm
 
Europe - thisbody - Jul 18, 2024 - 10:59pm
 
260,000 Posts in one thread? - oldviolin - Jul 18, 2024 - 8:43pm
 
Poetry Forum - oldviolin - Jul 18, 2024 - 8:40pm
 
Living in America - black321 - Jul 18, 2024 - 8:14pm
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Jul 18, 2024 - 11:13am
 
Lyrics that are stuck in your head today... - oldviolin - Jul 18, 2024 - 10:28am
 
Jon Stewart interview - Steely_D - Jul 18, 2024 - 7:36am
 
Project 2025 - Beaker - Jul 18, 2024 - 5:09am
 
kurtster's quiet vinyl - kurtster - Jul 17, 2024 - 7:45pm
 
What the hell OV? - oldviolin - Jul 17, 2024 - 2:04pm
 
Mixtape Culture Club - Steely_D - Jul 17, 2024 - 7:51am
 
Best Song Comments. - q4Fry - Jul 17, 2024 - 7:32am
 
Rhetorical questions - sunybuny - Jul 17, 2024 - 7:29am
 
Musky Mythology - Red_Dragon - Jul 17, 2024 - 5:47am
 
What questions would you like to answer for the world? - oldviolin - Jul 16, 2024 - 5:43pm
 
Democratic Party - Red_Dragon - Jul 16, 2024 - 4:48pm
 
Race in America - Red_Dragon - Jul 16, 2024 - 3:53pm
 
Live Music - skyguy - Jul 16, 2024 - 3:44pm
 
Guns - Red_Dragon - Jul 16, 2024 - 3:43pm
 
New Music - thisbody - Jul 16, 2024 - 2:26pm
 
Gimmie 5 Kurt! - thisbody - Jul 16, 2024 - 12:30pm
 
China - thisbody - Jul 16, 2024 - 12:05pm
 
Acoustic Guitar - thisbody - Jul 16, 2024 - 11:08am
 
Bear! - Beaker - Jul 16, 2024 - 6:43am
 
Favorite Quotes - Isabeau - Jul 15, 2024 - 3:43pm
 
Words that should be put on the substitutes bench for a year - Isabeau - Jul 15, 2024 - 12:25pm
 
The Truth About (Modern) Popular Music - Proclivities - Jul 15, 2024 - 8:18am
 
Please don't ban me, but: Taylor Swift... - sunybuny - Jul 15, 2024 - 4:55am
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - Beaker - Jul 14, 2024 - 3:51pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - R_P - Jul 14, 2024 - 12:52pm
 
Media Bias - Beaker - Jul 14, 2024 - 9:46am
 
what the hell, miamizsun? - oldviolin - Jul 14, 2024 - 7:51am
 
AH! There's an elephant in the room! - Red_Dragon - Jul 13, 2024 - 3:42pm
 
Outstanding Covers - DaveInSaoMiguel - Jul 13, 2024 - 12:49pm
 
Evolution! - R_P - Jul 13, 2024 - 10:34am
 
Eclectic Sound-Drops - oldviolin - Jul 13, 2024 - 10:23am
 
RP on Mac Just Stopped Working - tourtelot - Jul 12, 2024 - 9:35pm
 
Are they married yet? YES THEY ARE! - Manbird - Jul 12, 2024 - 2:51pm
 
Tech & Science - Manbird - Jul 12, 2024 - 2:46pm
 
Classic TV Curiosities - Proclivities - Jul 12, 2024 - 12:50pm
 
Ukraine - R_P - Jul 12, 2024 - 10:48am
 
Florida - miamizsun - Jul 12, 2024 - 7:05am
 
Regarding Birds - Jiggz - Jul 12, 2024 - 1:41am
 
Strange signs, marquees, billboards, etc. - thisbody - Jul 11, 2024 - 10:36pm
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - KurtfromLaQuinta - Jul 11, 2024 - 2:05pm
 
Record Store Day - Proclivities - Jul 11, 2024 - 8:18am
 
Index » Regional/Local » USA/Canada » Democratic Party Page: 1, 2, 3 ... 92, 93, 94  Next
Post to this Topic
Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar

Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 4:48pm

thisbody

thisbody Avatar

Location: all-pervading
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 12:20pm

 kurtster wrote:
oh ?  if its on the innernet, it must be true.

Key to the universe is now, again and again..
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 12:17pm

 rgio wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:
Don't let Kurt see this... it'll start a 90-post chain explaining how Menendez hasn't been convicted.  
 
oh ?  if its on the innernet, it must be true.
rgio

rgio Avatar

Location: West Jersey
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 12:14pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Don't let Kurt see this... it'll start a 90-post chain explaining how Menendez hasn't been convicted.  

Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar

Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Jul 16, 2024 - 11:12am

Sen. Bob Menendez convicted of all charges, including accepting bribes paid in cash, gold and a car
thisbody

thisbody Avatar

Location: all-pervading
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2024 - 9:08am

Are You A Democrat?
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 5, 2024 - 9:23pm

 Beaker wrote:

 
Yeah, another conspiracy theory bites the dust, again ...

Those of us who trusted (and said so) the NY Post on this were targets for all kinds of hate and accusations.

This disinformation operation really did turn the election.  There have been more than enough polls to establish the % change of minds that would have voted for Trump instead of Biden.

Well let's see how many here will finally admit that they were had by the party and media platforms that they trust and still do.

And they call me gullible ...

Behold, some of the many faces of the Deep State that some still refuse to acknowledge its existence.

.
Beaker

Beaker Avatar

Location: Your safe space


Posted: Jun 5, 2024 - 2:50pm





R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: May 9, 2024 - 3:06pm

She should try TikTok. Oh wait...


R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 4:01pm

 haresfur wrote:

And the quote I heard many years ago from a Palestinian was something like, "The war will be won in the bedrooms of Gaza"


Ooh, anecdotal evidence.

haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 3:26pm

 westslope wrote:

You are assuming that the welfare of Israelis of Jewish descent is always more important than the welfare of Arabs and others.   That is not a proposition I support.  Actually forcing Israel to completely dismantle the settlements and evict the settlers would send a very positive message to the world that violently taking resources is no longer tolerated.

The alternative to a delusional 2-state solution would be to grant all citizens in Greater Israel full rights.  Naturally, the USA and Israel would oppose that because granting full democratic rights to all citizens would put people of Jewish descent in a minority position.





You still haven't answered my question. But you bring up another, what does "Greater Israel" mean?
haresfur

haresfur Avatar

Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 3:22pm

 R_P wrote:

No deal will be accepted with limited sovereignty/self-determination and without a right of return for Palestinians in Lebanon/Jordan, etc.



And the quote I heard many years ago from a Palestinian was something like, "The war will be won in the bedrooms of Gaza"

R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 11:28am

 black321 wrote:
Yeah its complex, but Arafat didnt want to concede...give up the right to ask for more.
He walked away.
Since then, neither side has shown any real willingness to compromise.

No deal will be accepted with limited sovereignty/self-determination and without a right of return for Palestinians in Lebanon/Jordan, etc.


black321

black321 Avatar

Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 11:22am

 R_P wrote:

You might want to read up on that a bit, and not blindly accept the anti-Palestinian US/Israeli version of those events. I.e. BS.



Yeah its complex, but Arafat didnt want to concede...give up the right to ask for more.
He walked away.
Since then, neither side has shown any real willingness to compromise.
R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 10:39am

 Steely_D wrote:
If only we knew someone who was constantly posting articles on the topic.

🤡

If only some people read them then they wouldn't be talking out of their ass.

Steely_D

Steely_D Avatar

Location: Biscayne Bay
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 10:38am

 R_P wrote:

You might want to read up on that a bit, and not blindly accept the anti-Palestinian US/Israeli version of those events. I.e. BS.



If only we knew someone who was constantly posting articles on the topic.
R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 10:36am

 black321 wrote:
Recent history shows that...Arafat rejected a solid deal back in 2000 and again in 2008...


You might want to read up on that a bit, and not blindly accept the anti-Palestinian US/Israeli version of those events. I.e. BS.

black321

black321 Avatar

Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 6:46am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


crikey, you are actually starting to make sense. Not saying I agree with you but I can follow your argument. Yes, I agree that all citizens should have full rights and yes, I agree that the Israelis are never going to put themselves in a position where they lose control, because history, which is no doubt is offensive from a Palestinian point of view.
But because of those points, which we seem to agree on, my conclusion is the same as Haresfur.. there will have to be a two-state solution. The idea that the Israelis will give up control is illusory. On the other hand, the idea that Palestinians don't have full rights of self-determination is just as obnoxious as apartheid .. ergo they will have to learn to live side by side and critically, acknowledge each other's right to exist. 

Second point, we quickly talk about "the Israelis" and "the Palestinians" as though they were both monolithic structures. But they are not. Both are very full and rich cultures with a plethora of different viewpoints. Moreover, there is a lot of common ground between them, even if radicals don't want to accept this. 

Which gets me to the third point: On both sides we have rulers using the conflict to control their own grip on power. I think we can all agree that Netanyahu is undisputedly a war criminal. But Hamas is not much better, using the conflict to retain an iron grip on power. Factor in Iran and other regional factors and you get the current situation where everyone is manoeuvring to  maximise their own power at the cost of the little people. 

All feels like a lot of toxic masculinity to me. One more step to overcome on the way to a better future.



just wondering if you really meant to deemphasize the atrocities of Hamas?!

I mean, this whole situation is beyond any rational thinking...and the concept, if only palestine had their own state everything would be fine...just doesnt hold water.
Recent history shows that...Arafat rejected a solid deal back in 2000 and again in 2008...which led to Hamas and Netanyanhu being in power. 
Neither side seems interested in peace, so why fund either of these maniacs? 


NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 30, 2024 - 12:37am

 westslope wrote:

You are assuming that the welfare of Israelis of Jewish descent is always more important than the welfare of Arabs and others.   That is not a proposition I support.  Actually forcing Israel to completely dismantle the settlements and evict the settlers would send a very positive message to the world that violently taking resources is no longer tolerated.

The alternative to a delusional 2-state solution would be to grant all citizens in Greater Israel full rights.  Naturally, the USA and Israel would oppose that because granting full democratic rights to all citizens would put people of Jewish descent in a minority position.





crikey, you are actually starting to make sense. Not saying I agree with you but I can follow your argument. Yes, I agree that all citizens should have full rights and yes, I agree that the Israelis are never going to put themselves in a position where they lose control, because history, which is no doubt is offensive from a Palestinian point of view.
But because of those points, which we seem to agree on, my conclusion is the same as Haresfur.. there will have to be a two-state solution. The idea that the Israelis will give up control is illusory. On the other hand, the idea that Palestinians don't have full rights of self-determination is just as obnoxious as apartheid .. ergo they will have to learn to live side by side and critically, acknowledge each other's right to exist. 

Second point, we quickly talk about "the Israelis" and "the Palestinians" as though they were both monolithic structures. But they are not. Both are very full and rich cultures with a plethora of different viewpoints. Moreover, there is a lot of common ground between them, even if radicals don't want to accept this. 

Which gets me to the third point: On both sides we have rulers using the conflict to control their own grip on power. I think we can all agree that Netanyahu is undisputedly a war criminal. But Hamas is not much better, using the conflict to retain an iron grip on power. Factor in Iran and other regional factors and you get the current situation where everyone is manoeuvring to  maximise their own power at the cost of the little people. 

All feels like a lot of toxic masculinity to me. One more step to overcome on the way to a better future.


westslope

westslope Avatar

Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Apr 29, 2024 - 7:33pm

 haresfur wrote:

So what does anti-zionism mean to you in the modern context?

And realistically, the alternatives to a two-state solution at this point is either perpetual war or complete removal of Arab control from the west bank and Gaza. Neither are acceptable to me.


You are assuming that the welfare of Israelis of Jewish descent is always more important than the welfare of Arabs and others.   That is not a proposition I support.  Actually forcing Israel to completely dismantle the settlements and evict the settlers would send a very positive message to the world that violently taking resources is no longer tolerated.

The alternative to a delusional 2-state solution would be to grant all citizens in Greater Israel full rights.  Naturally, the USA and Israel would oppose that because granting full democratic rights to all citizens would put people of Jewish descent in a minority position.



Page: 1, 2, 3 ... 92, 93, 94  Next