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Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:28pm



 kurtster wrote:

Let's start here with this whopper then I'll consider discussing the rest.

Show me the list.
 

I stand corrected. I should have written that some states require the voter to provide an excuse before his/her state will allow absentee voting.  Those states are Texas, Louisiana, Indiana, Mississippi and Tennessee.

See the article for a map of the US states and their different regulations involving absentee voting. 

At least 84% of American voters can cast ballots by mail in the fall


For voters in five states, in-person voting remains the only option unless they can provide an approved reason not related to fear of the coronavirus. Traditional absentee excuses include military deployments or illness.




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Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:18pm

 kcar wrote:

Also some states don't allow absentee voting. 
 
Let's start here with this whopper then I'll consider discussing the rest.

Show me the list.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 5:16pm

 kurtster wrote:
And for the last time, voting has never been easier to do than now in all the years I've been walking on this planet.
 
... as a privileged white American.
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Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 3:19pm



 kurtster wrote:
Elections are pretty regular and predictable here in the USA. 

In order to vote you must register.  Do not they teach that in school anymore ?

Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute a crisis or an emergency on my part.

I have no sympathy for those that put this off until the last minute.

And for the last time, voting has never been easier to do than now in all the years I've been walking on this planet.

When I started voting in 1972, there were two ways.  Show up in person on the day or have a damn good reason for requesting an absentee ballot.  That was it.
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{#Cowboy}
 
You didn't have to miss a part of full day's pay to take off to make it to the polling place? Some folks have to make that choice.
Especially if the line to vote is hours long, because there aren't adequate amounts of polling places.

And you had transportation to get there swiftly? I know that's not true for everyone.

Did you have to bring your birth certificate, even though you were born poor, many decades ago, and were unlikely to have it, or any "official" documentation on hand? (And did you have the money in your budget that you could divert to paying for the document, as well as the time off work to wait at the government office to get it arranged?)

And did your vote amount to pissing in the wind due to gerrymandering?

To be honest, it takes time to get ducks in a row to be allowed to vote because of the OMGWTFFRAUD!!! (that has always been proven to be insignificant). So the "piss-poor-planning" that you unfairly mock is actually a race to address the recently engaged methodical widespread effort to keep the non-GOP folks from the polls. 

It certainly says something horrible about our government that they do everything they can to not encourage legal voting, to discourage legal voting,  to tolerate gerrymandering that prevents proper representation of the voters being governed, to promote the idea that we can't trust the results of the upcoming election, and for the President of the United States to suggest felonious behavior of voting more than once.


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Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 3:04pm



 kurtster wrote:
Elections are pretty regular and predictable here in the USA. 

In order to vote you must register.  Do not they teach that in school anymore ?

Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute a crisis or an emergency on my part.

I have no sympathy for those that put this off until the last minute.

And for the last time, voting has never been easier to do than now in all the years I've been walking on this planet.

When I started voting in 1972, there were two ways.  Show up in person on the day or have a damn good reason for requesting an absentee ballot.  That was it.
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"And for the last time, voting has never been easier to do than now in all the years I've been walking on this planet."


Tell that to the former felons in FL who've done their time and want to vote. They have to pay off fines and court fees before they can vote—but FL has no central database that stores such information and many local jurisdictions have spotty records as well. So those people are effectively blocked from voting for the foreseeable future. Even though 65% of Floridians voting in a popular referendum in FL restored their right to vote. The state legislature and FL governor voted to require payment of fees and fines as a way of blocking former felons from voting. The courts should have struck down that law because it amounts to a poll tax but an Appeals court packed with Trump appointees let the law stand. 

Also some states don't allow absentee voting. 

Here's a list of barriers to voting, some of which are in place to deliberate suppress minority voting. Photo ID requirements and reduced polling places/hours are common tricks. 



11 Barriers to Voting

Here are some of the most common ways voting rights are undermined across the country




Here's what happens when those barriers are in place. 




Voter Suppression Is Warping Democracy

A new survey from The Atlantic and the Public Religion Research Institute shows that black and Hispanic citizens are more likely than whites to face barriers at the polls—and to fear the future erosion of their basic political rights.

Voter suppression almost certainly helped Donald Trump win the presidency. Multiple academic studies and court rulings indicate that racially biased election laws, such as voter-ID legislation in places like Wisconsin, favored Republican candidates in 2016. Like most other elections in American history, this one wasn’t a fair fight.

A new poll conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) and The Atlantic has uncovered evidence of deep structural barriers to the ballot for black and Latino voters, specifically in the 2016 election. More than that, the survey finds that the deep wounds of Jim Crow endure, leaving America’s democratic promise unfulfilled.

The real extent of voter suppression in the United States is contested. As was the case for poll taxes and literacy tests long ago, restrictive election laws are often, on their face, racially neutral, giving them a sheen of legitimacy. But the new data from PRRI and The Atlantic suggest that the outcomes of these laws are in no way racially neutral. The poll, conducted in June, surveyed Americans about their experiences with voting, their assessments of the country’s political system, and their interfaces with civics. The results, especially when analyzed by race, are troublesome. They indicate that voter suppression is commonplace, and that voting is routinely harder for people of color than for their white counterparts.

    The new data support perhaps the worst-case scenario offered by opponents of restrictive voting laws. Nine percent of black respondents and 9 percent of Hispanic respondents indicated that, in the last election, they (or someone in their household) were told that they lacked the proper identification to vote. Just 3 percent of whites said the same. Ten percent of black respondents and 11 percent of Hispanic respondents reported that they were incorrectly told that they weren’t listed on voter rolls, as opposed to 5 percent of white respondents. In all, across just about every issue identified as a common barrier to voting, black and Hispanic respondents were twice as likely, or more, to have experienced those barriers as white respondents.

    The numbers not only suggest that policies such as voter-ID requirements and automatic voter purges do, indeed, have strong racial and ethnic biases, but also that there are more subtle barriers for people of color that compound the effects of these laws. Fifteen percent of black respondents and 14 percent of Hispanic respondents said that they had trouble finding polling places on Election Day, versus 5 percent of whites. This finding squares with research indicating that frequent changes to polling-site locations hurt minority voters more. Additionally, more than one in 10 blacks and Hispanics missed the registration deadline to vote in 2016, as opposed to just 3 percent of whites. And black and Hispanic respondents were twice as likely as white respondents to have been unable to get time off work for voting.



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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 2:42pm

    Elections are pretty regular and predictable here in the USA. 

    In order to vote you must register.  Do not they teach that in school anymore ?

    Piss poor planning on your part does not constitute a crisis or an emergency on my part.

    I have no sympathy for those that put this off until the last minute.

    And for the last time, voting has never been easier to do than now in all the years I've been walking on this planet.

    When I started voting in 1972, there were two ways.  Show up in person on the day or have a damn good reason for requesting an absentee ballot.  That was it.
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    kcar

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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 2:25pm



     miamizsun wrote:

    i think part of the problem is poor organization and late execution

    it seems to be easier now with the interweb (as long i can remember anyway)

    literally takes two minutes on voter.org

    you take can a phone and register people in an instant

    at the bottom of that page is info from every state (deadlines, vote by mail requests, absentee, military/overseas, etc.)

    so if you know someone who isn't registered, wants to verify registration, or vote in absentia, either let them know or send a link

    don't wait


     

    It's a lot messier in some places, like DC. People can give their info at voter.org but the state entity like the DC Board of Elections has to process that info. I've seen reports that DCBOE is dealing with record levels of applications. 
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 2:04pm

     R_P wrote:
     miamizsun wrote:
    i think part of the problem is poor organization and late execution

    it seems to be easier now with the interweb (as long i can remember anyway)

    literally takes two minutes on voter.org

    you take can a phone and register people in an instant

    at the bottom of that page is info from every state (deadlines, vote by mail requests, absentee, military/overseas, etc.)

    so if you know someone who isn't registered, wants to verify registration, or vote in absentia, either let them know or send a link

    don't wait
     
    Good luck attaching the required ID on that site, or squishing it through the phone line...
     
    the link i posted is also on their site

    if the wisconsin voter site video is correct you put your info in and either dl or ss#

    then one can print out a reg and either drop it off or mail it in

    souls seem to have events in senior centers/communities which is great

    good for them and thank you jesus
    R_P

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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 11:12am

     miamizsun wrote:
    i think part of the problem is poor organization and late execution

    it seems to be easier now with the interweb (as long i can remember anyway)

    literally takes two minutes on voter.org

    you take can a phone and register people in an instant

    at the bottom of that page is info from every state (deadlines, vote by mail requests, absentee, military/overseas, etc.)

    so if you know someone who isn't registered, wants to verify registration, or vote in absentia, either let them know or send a link

    don't wait
     
    Good luck attaching the required ID on that site, or squishing it through the phone line...
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 10:44am

     R_P wrote: 
    i think part of the problem is poor organization and late execution

    it seems to be easier now with the interweb (as long i can remember anyway)

    literally takes two minutes on voter.org

    you take can a phone and register people in an instant

    at the bottom of that page is info from every state (deadlines, vote by mail requests, absentee, military/overseas, etc.)

    so if you know someone who isn't registered, wants to verify registration, or vote in absentia, either let them know or send a link

    don't wait


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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:56am

    Registering to vote like trying to 'count the bubbles in the soap' in some U.S. states: activist
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:53am

     black321 wrote:
    and then you two can get a room.  Ha!
     

    maybe next year

    because social distancing
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:45am



     miamizsun wrote:


    ok but we take an uber convertible and sit out on the deck at pancho and lefty's, with a view, in the shade, with really cold beer and tacos
     

    and then you two can get a room.  Ha!
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:35am

     steeler wrote:


     miamizsun wrote:


    we can disagree, but can we still drink an adult beverage, cut up and have a conversation?
     

    Indeed!
     

    ok but we take an uber convertible and sit out on the deck at pancho and lefty's, with a view, in the shade, with really cold beer and tacos
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:15am



     miamizsun wrote:


    we can disagree, but can we still drink an adult beverage, cut up and have a conversation?
     

    Indeed!
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 9:00am

     steeler wrote:
    I disagree that Trump is fundamentally similar to his predecessors as President, that he is more like them than different.
     

    we can disagree, but can we still drink an adult beverage, cut up and have a conversation?
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 8:50am

     black321 wrote:


     steeler wrote:


     miamizsun wrote:

    trump is not a good speaker, he's not that polished (making easier to spot bs)

    i maintain he's nothing special (although he's been marketed with much success as satan's spawn)

    you know we all have a tendency to like a good story-teller

    can you imagine if he had obama's looks and speaking/communication skills? his diplomacy?

    when i say (political) diplomacy i mean having the skill to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip
     
    I disagree that Trump is fundamentally similar to his predecessors as President, that he is more like them than different.

     

    On the one hand i agree with Miami, in that trump isn't that different, just more transparent with his flaws.
    That itself is a problem for a leader, but...there is a larger fundamental difference with past presidents
    The fundamental difference is that most past pres at least feigned attempts to bring the country together
    Trumps divisiveness is what makes him so dangerous and wrong
    I would add much of the media's divisiveness is equally as wrong and bad for the country
     
    See I am with you in the overall assessment of his presidency.  {#Yes}
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 8:33am



     steeler wrote:


     miamizsun wrote:

    trump is not a good speaker, he's not that polished (making easier to spot bs)

    i maintain he's nothing special (although he's been marketed with much success as satan's spawn)

    you know we all have a tendency to like a good story-teller

    can you imagine if he had obama's looks and speaking/communication skills? his diplomacy?

    when i say (political) diplomacy i mean having the skill to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip
     
    I disagree that Trump is fundamentally similar to his predecessors as President, that he is more like them than different.

     

    On the one hand i agree with Miami, in that trump isn't that different, just more transparent with his flaws.
    That itself is a problem for a leader, but...there is a larger fundamental difference with past presidents
    The fundamental difference is that most past pres at least feigned attempts to bring the country together
    Trumps divisiveness is what makes him so dangerous and wrong
    I would add much of the media's divisiveness is equally as wrong and bad for the country
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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 7:47am



     miamizsun wrote:

    trump is not a good speaker, he's not that polished (making easier to spot bs)

    i maintain he's nothing special (although he's been marketed with much success as satan's spawn)

    you know we all have a tendency to like a good story-teller

    can you imagine if he had obama's looks and speaking/communication skills? his diplomacy?

    when i say (political) diplomacy i mean having the skill to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip
     
    Trump's superpower is his ability to sound convincing in that moment with no regard for facts or history.  His lack of polish is what makes him so appealing to so many...he isn't "one of them".  

    Take a middle-aged, unemployed, high-school educated white guy who assumed he could always work at the factory or the farm but now struggles to get by...and give him an option to pick a famous guy who seems confident in his answers who also blames everything on others, especially those who have been running the country since they've been voting...

    If he had Obama's skills he'd be a very successful real estate developer who you never heard of.   Communication skills like Obama's require an intelligence and self-control DJT couldn't find in 20 lifetimes.  He is THE poster child for white privilege...which is why he hates the idea of systemic racism so much.  It explains his success more than anything else in his life...and he knows it.

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    Posted: Sep 18, 2020 - 7:44am



     miamizsun wrote:

    trump is not a good speaker, he's not that polished (making easier to spot bs)

    i maintain he's nothing special (although he's been marketed with much success as satan's spawn)

    you know we all have a tendency to like a good story-teller

    can you imagine if he had obama's looks and speaking/communication skills? his diplomacy?

    when i say (political) diplomacy i mean having the skill to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they're looking forward to the trip
     
    I disagree that Trump is fundamentally similar to his predecessors as President, that he is more like them than different.

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