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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 1:21pm

 Steely_D wrote:


And, without stretching, you can easily imagine Harris doing just that - especially when she gets to debate him. Unless he’s too chicken to debate a woman of color for fear of LOSING.

What Trump did in his last debate with Biden is apparently known as the Gish Gallop

During a Gish gallop, in a short space of time the galloper confronts an opponent with a rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations, and outright lies that makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of the debate.<2> Each point raised by the Gish galloper takes considerably more time to refute or to fact-check than the amount of time taken to state each one in the series. This technique is known online as Brandolini's law<3> and frequently is referred to as "the bullshit asymmetry principle". That element of the technique also is referred to as spewing a firehose of falsehoods.

The technique wastes an opponent's time and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved or, if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics.<4>


It worked brilliantly for Trump, partly because Jake Tapper and Dana Bash forgot they were journalists and fact-checkers. Biden was awful but Tapper and Bash were useless. 

People have let Trump get away with lying, exaggerating and evading for far too long. Voters expect him to lie. Journalists didn't bother to fact-check Trump that much even AFTER the debate. 

At this point, debating Trump is pointless. A debate for him is just another chance to spew lies. He faces no consequences for lying. You cannot have a reasoned or intelligent conversation with him. 

Trump has spent much of his adult life (and all of his political life) breaking rules and lying without facing consequences for it. He's not going to stop—he can't stop and it works for him. You're not going to get the truth from Trump during a debate, you're just going to get a slightly more polished version of an Alex Jones rant. 
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 1:01pm

 kcar wrote:

Whoever gets the nomination should hammer Trump on Project 2025 and Agenda 47 esp. on goals like these: 

Cut Medicare and Social Security
Tax cuts that favor the rich
Outlaw all abortion
End no-fault divorce
A women's place is at home

The GOP wants to control women and steal more money for the rich. They're being incredibly blatant and arrogant about it now. 

Remind people of the all the death, illnesses and shortages from Covid during Trump. Keep showing them his attempts to ignore Covid, suppress reporting of it, and wish it majickly away. 

Point out that Trump is a felon and a rapist and suspected pedophile. Lay out the FACTS as to why he's facing trials for criminal acts including a failed attempt to overthrow democracy. 

Point out that under Trump, there was more crime than under Biden. Point out that Biden and GOP Senators worked out a plan to secure the border and process immigrants but Trump blocked it without any clear or workable plan of his own. 

Get people to ignore Trump's stunts and claims and help them focus on his awful failures. Depict him as a mascara- and diaper-wearing buffoon. (When you wear as much "bronzer" as Trump does, that's makeup). 

Trump is one sick f&*k. There is nothing decent or redeemable about him. 


And, without stretching, you can easily imagine Harris doing just that - especially when she gets to debate him. Unless he’s too chicken to debate a woman of color for fear of LOSING.
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:52pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


Daddy, who is that weird old man ranting away in the corner?
What is he talking about?

Well, son, he recently suffered a traumatic incident in which he almost died. He was even talking about being a changed man who wanted to bring civility and unity to our nation. He has recovered from that and is regaining his footing.

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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:51pm

 kcar wrote:

Whoever gets the nomination should hammer Trump on Project 2025 and Agenda 47 esp. on goals like these: 

...

Trump is one sick f&*k. There is nothing decent or redeemable about him. 

It seems inconceivable that he could generate enough support to win a school-board election, yet here we are.


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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:43pm

 rgio wrote:

He wants to be the President for everyone. 

He literally can't get out of his own way. 


Whoever gets the nomination should hammer Trump on Project 2025 and Agenda 47 esp. on goals like these: 

Cut Medicare and Social Security
Tax cuts that favor the rich
Outlaw all abortion
End no-fault divorce
A women's place is at home

The GOP wants to control women and steal more money for the rich. They're being incredibly blatant and arrogant about it now. 

Remind people of the all the death, illnesses and shortages from Covid during Trump. Keep showing them his attempts to ignore Covid, suppress reporting of it, and wish it majickly away. 

Point out that Trump is a felon and a rapist and suspected pedophile. Lay out the FACTS as to why he's facing trials for criminal acts including a failed attempt to overthrow democracy. 

Point out that under Trump, there was more crime than under Biden. Point out that Biden and GOP Senators worked out a plan to secure the border and process immigrants but Trump blocked it without any clear or workable plan of his own. 

Get people to ignore Trump's stunts and claims and help them focus on his awful failures. Depict him as a mascara- and diaper-wearing buffoon. (When you wear as much "bronzer" as Trump does, that's makeup). 

Trump is one sick f&*k. There is nothing decent or redeemable about him. 
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:26pm

 R_P wrote:
And Degenerate Don



Daddy, who is that weird old man ranting away in the corner?
What is he talking about?
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:19pm

 R_P wrote:
And Degenerate Don


He wants to be the President for everyone. 

He literally can't get out of his own way. 

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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:15pm

And Degenerate Don

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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:09pm

 R_P wrote:



says the party of Jan 6.  
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:06pm


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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 12:03pm

 rgio wrote:

two-thirds of democrats wanted him to step aside.  The facts for most who voted changed when they saw the debate.  It's pro-democracy...not anti-democracy.


I'm just anticipating the FOXNews spin, which is already starting to say this: "oh, so now the smoke filled room picks the President and not The People!?!"
Hey, if it were like that, then there's no problem if we eliminate the Electoral College.
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 11:59am

 Steely_D wrote:

I expect the usual “oh but it’s not what the people chose when they did primaries“ but those sorts of folks ought to be open to eliminating the electoral college in favor of popular vote, no?


two-thirds of democrats wanted him to step aside.  The facts for most who voted changed when they saw the debate.  It's pro-democracy...not anti-democracy.

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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 11:56am

I expect the usual “oh but it’s not what the people chose when they did primaries“ but those sorts of folks ought to be open to eliminating the electoral college in favor of popular vote, no?
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 11:45am

 Steely_D wrote:

and here we…go…


Now we'll see how the Dems can turn opportunity into losses.  Harris should earn the nomination at an open convention.   The Dems should be encouraging competition, but they already seem to be trying to minimize it.

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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 11:14am

and here we…go…
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Posted: Jul 21, 2024 - 11:09am

Biden Drops Out of Race, Scrambling the Campaign for the White House
The president’s withdrawal under pressure from fellow Democrats after a disastrous debate cleared the way for a new nominee to take on former President Donald J. Trump in the fall.



15 days
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 8:40pm

 islander wrote:


Yeah, remember when you thought trump was a shoe in for 8 years. And Mittens was going to tromp Obama? What's your overall record now 3/3?  We could replace you with a shiny quarter.


It’s disappointingly consistent: predictions designed to scare or warn or promise - but they rarely, if ever, come to fruition. Sadly, as you get…shudder…old, you see how transparent this stuff is, after living through so many prophecies that don’t get fulfilled or campaign promises that never happen (both parties). So it’s such a waste of time to entertain “just you wait, ‘enry ‘iggins, just you wait!” Over and over and over and over… Now, if something is framed as a warning or prediction or promise, I do a quick survey of their past - and usually end up ignoring them.


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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 7:05pm

 Beaker wrote:

Nah. It will be four years of Trump, followed by eight years of DeSantis.  The Dems have done this to themselves and will have to sit it out as they rebuild their party and correct from completely losing touch with the voters.

Liberal RPeeps after reading that above:





Yeah, remember when you thought trump was a shoe in for 8 years. And Mittens was going to tromp Obama? What's your overall record now 3/3?  We could replace you with a shiny quarter.
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 5:18pm

 Beaker wrote:





How do you describe your pointless RP posts on your resume? "Childish troll"? "Daily Incontinence Stain"? "Pinhead for Hire"?  
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Posted: Jul 19, 2024 - 1:47pm

 Beaker wrote:

I'm sorry this is happening to you. Seek professional help.


So should you over that unprocessed anger at your mother regarding that bed wetting incident.

(stereotypical pejoratives are equal opportunity offenders ;) )




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