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Posted: Oct 15, 2021 - 4:32pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
If Red-staters really wanted to chap Democrats' hides, they would trumpet day in and day out how great the vaccines are that were fast-tracked by Trump and are a rousing success due to Trump and Trump only. Biden would have let the usual process play out, they might say, and they might be right.

Speculative (fiction). Biden might have also used Obama's pandemic playbook. Or not.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2021 - 3:40pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


If Red-staters really wanted to chap Democrats' hides, they would trumpet day in and day out how great the vaccines are that were fast-tracked by Trump and are a rousing success due to Trump and Trump only. Biden would have let the usual process play out, they might say, and they might be right.

Now that is an interesting perspective.  Scott, you would make a great backroom boy.   Except I am not sure that anybody in the Trump Republican party would listen. 

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Posted: Oct 15, 2021 - 8:42am

 R_P wrote:

You're only as good as your sources. That's why you don't use/show many.


A CNN news report ranks higher than a W.E. opinion piece.

You should have posted this in July.

Biden's number of deaths will stay higher as long as there are the unvaxxed (you know who) on a suicide mission.


If Red-staters really wanted to chap Democrats' hides, they would trumpet day in and day out how great the vaccines are that were fast-tracked by Trump and are a rousing success due to Trump and Trump only. Biden would have let the usual process play out, they might say, and they might be right.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2021 - 7:39am

Trump was not such a bad guy.

Donald J. Trump will likely spawn a small industry of graduate students who will toil away estimating how pandemic deaths were due to his policies and rhetoric. 

My back of the hand guestimate suggests somewhere in the 200K to a quarter of a million range.    Busy, bright graduate students would provide far more clarity.  Critics might argue, and with some reason, that Trump was simply the spokesperson for a broad-based domestic political movement intent on harming Americans.  

See?  Trump:  great guy.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2021 - 1:54am

 R_P wrote:

You're only as good as your sources. That's why you don't use/show many.


A CNN news report ranks higher than a W.E. opinion piece.

You should have posted this in July.

Biden's number of deaths will stay higher as long as there are the unvaxxed (you know who) on a suicide mission.


"You're only as good as your sources. That's why you don't use/show many."


Did Biden try to downplay the deadliness, spread and mutability of Covid as Trump did? 

Did Biden encourage American states to end lockdowns prematurely as Trump did? 

Did Biden discourage Americans from getting vaccinated or cast doubt about the safety of the vaccines as Trump did? 

Did Biden discourage Americans from wearing masks or practicing social distancing as Trump did? 

Did Biden almost die from Covid like Trump? 

If Biden exaggerated the effectiveness of  Covid vaccines back in July, he at least is trying to convey the truth and accurate information from reliable sources. 

Trump—not so much. 
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:52pm

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Yeah there were other choices.  It's always about the messenger with you so, meh ...

I do give you some credit for using CNN as little as you do.  
{#Mrgreen}


Spoiler alert for others ... when I see a CNN url pop up on a link, I don't click.  It truly amazes me how many still trust them for their facts and enough so as to pass it on to others.

You're only as good as your sources. That's why you don't use/show many.

A CNN news report ranks higher than a W.E. opinion piece.

You should have posted this in July.

Biden's number of deaths will stay higher as long as there are the unvaxxed (you know who) on a suicide mission.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:46pm

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 kurtster wrote:
Absolutely nothing Biden has done is working

We're into familiar partisan (W.E. opinion) hyperbole territory... Skip. Not serious.
 
Yeah there were other choices.  It's always about the messenger with you so, meh ...

I do give you some credit for using CNN as little as you do.  {#Mrgreen}

Spoiler alert for others ... when I see a CNN url pop up on a link, I don't click.  It truly amazes me how many still trust them for their facts and enough so as to pass it on to others.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:34pm

 kurtster wrote:
Absolutely nothing Biden has done is working

We're into familiar partisan (W.E. opinion) hyperbole territory... Skip. Not serious.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:16pm

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You got me there.  Biden is indeed a no brainer.  The proof is everywhere.

Almost a year later, and still sporting a sore butt...
 
Not me.  The ones with the sore butts and walkin' real funny right now are the ones who voted for Joe.

I must admit that I am really amazed at how fast just one person can fuck things up so totally for everyone.

This is some interesting reading :

(it should go in the Biden Lies thread but this will do for now)

More people will have died from COVID under Biden than Trump

(What is most impressive is that Joe has had a vaccine to work with from day one.)

It is amusing how, in year one of the pandemic, every story about the virus was a “blame Trump” story. Absolutely nothing Biden has done is working, yet Biden really never gets blamed for anything.

Sure, Trump said a lot of wacky things, but Biden has told many falsehoods about the virus as well. He stated , for example, that "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the ICU unit and you're not going to die." And then, shortly after those comments, Biden contradicted himself and added that even if vaccinated people do "catch the virus," they are "not likely to get sick."

Further, when discussing the delta variant, Biden stated that vaccines "cover" the delta variant insofar as people will not contract the virus if vaccinated. "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said .

Presidents should be given some leeway when they talk about pandemics. They are just relaying information from “experts” who seem to be either wrong or oversimplifying as often as not.

That said, if Biden were held to the same standard Trump was, he would be exposed for his lies and incompetence.

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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 8:54pm

 kurtster wrote:
You got me there.  Biden is indeed a no brainer.  The proof is everywhere.

Almost a year later, and still sporting a sore butt...
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 8:37pm

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Hey, go for it.  You were very persistent and dedicated in the Trump lies thread. This would be like shooting fish in a barrel for you.  Surprised you haven't already seized the moment, Unless you actually support Biden and approve of his actions and deeds to date.

It's your very own thread and you're slacking. Can't take the heat? Supporting Biden over Trump is a no-brainer.
 
You got me there.  Biden is indeed a no brainer.  The proof is everywhere.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 7:45pm

 kurtster wrote:
Hey, go for it.  You were very persistent and dedicated in the Trump lies thread.

This would be like shooting fish in a barrel for you.  Surprised you haven't already seized the moment,

Unless you actually support Biden and approve of his actions and deeds to date.

It's your very own thread and you're slacking. Can't take the heat?

Supporting Biden over Trump is a no-brainer.

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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 7:04pm

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 kurtster wrote:
This lie about whipping should have be put in the Biden's Lies thread awhile ago, but there are so many that keeping that thread current would require several full time staffers to keep up with him lately.

Excuses, excuses, slacker.
 
Hey, go for it.  You were very persistent and dedicated in the Trump lies thread.

This would be like shooting fish in a barrel for you.  Surprised you haven't already seized the moment,

Unless you actually support Biden and approve of his actions and deeds to date.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 1:36pm

 kurtster wrote:
This lie about whipping should have be put in the Biden's Lies thread awhile ago, but there are so many that keeping that thread current would require several full time staffers to keep up with him lately.

Excuses, excuses, slacker.

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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 1:31pm

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Nobody was whipped at the border.   That is 100% BS and proven to be so, says the photographer of the picture that everyone refers to. But carry on with this BS belief and your others.

I stand corrected: they were just harassed and most deported. All part of that "open borders" agenda, right?
 
This lie about whipping should have be put in the Biden's Lies thread awhile ago, but there are so many that keeping that thread current would require several full time staffers to keep up with him lately.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 12:08pm

 kurtster wrote:
Nobody was whipped at the border.   That is 100% BS and proven to be so, says the photographer of the picture that everyone refers to.

But carry on with this BS belief and your others.

I stand corrected: they were just harassed and most deported.

All part of that "open borders" agenda, right?
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 11:57am

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  when CBP whips Haitian asylum seekers at the border?
 
Nobody was whipped at the border.   That is 100% BS and proven to be so, says the photographer of the picture that everyone refers to.

But carry on with this BS belief and your others.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 11:47am

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Joe knows how the game is played, he's been at it long enough. He also knows the role of a VP: the veep doesn't control policy or veto laws or appoint anybody. The VP smiles and sits in the back and waits for the president to die.

Why does it not matter what he did when the agenda was his own? Why is this not more revelatory of his character and beliefs than what he did when he just needed to sit there and occasionally go to a funeral?

Because today the agenda is his own, and his record is not something black people should be comfortable with. He put a lot of them in jail. He put a lot of them out of work. And he's never apologized for any of it, or even admitted it was wrong.

He has also broken with Obama on things that matter, or ought to: trade and immigration to name just two. Why does Obama being black give him a pass when CBP whips Haitian asylum seekers at the border?
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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:59am

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Sorry.  


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Posted: Oct 14, 2021 - 9:24am

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Oh PLEASE don't encourage a reply.

Sorry.  

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