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Posted: Jul 1, 2022 - 10:42pm

 black321 wrote:
 Red_Dragon wrote:In all honesty, until we at least get the "vast majority" of people/politicians believing climate change or just pollution is bad,  and it is necessary to replace fossil fuels with cleaner, more efficient sources, and assuming we continue to see a seesaw, back and forth control from one political group to the other...would we really make any traction? Still, it's like the Paris Accord...wouldn't really accomplish much, but is quite symbolic. We really need a coordinated complete plan that both sides buy into, and provides clear transparency towards where we are headed.
e.g., this lack of transparency has contributed to the surge in fuel prices, as oil producers have been hesitant to invest their capital (over years) to increase production.
 
This, only you missed the most important part regarding capital investment.  The Biden / GND (Green New Deal) policy is to deny financing to the oil companies and it is working all too well preventing any long term actions.  Essentially paralyzing the industry, domestically speaking.  Oil is so much more than just fuel for internal combustion engines.  It is plastic, fertilizer and pharmaceuticals just for openers.  It is part of the overhead in nearly everything in our lives. Official policy is to keep banks from investing in oil companies, period.  Biden screams do more and at the same time cuts off private money needed to conduct business, not government money but private money.  Huh ?  And then grants and takes away leases, and the ones that are granted are so heavily regulated that it becomes impossible to satisfy all the regulations, thereby simply shutting things down.

Meanwhile, force electric on everyone prematurely with no infrastructure in place to deal with the extra volume.  We cannot handle our needs at present.  Our power grid needs to be totally rebuilt and hardened before we add anymore demand.  The greenies have to get out of the way with regulating the construction to death making it impossible to do.  Yeah, some trees are going to be cut down and some of the right of ways may be like a scar on the landscape, but that is what we have to bear in order to succeed.  PG&E wants to try and bury transmissions lines again to cut down on fires.  The environmentalists now greenies got in the way over aesthetics of that the first time.  How many fires would have been prevented and how many lives would not have been lost ?  You can't have it both ways.  The most recent estimate that I have heard is about $15 billion.  It's fucking chump change.  Trump was in favor of it and would likely have been part of the agenda for his second term.  But since Trump liked it, it will never get done.  So we will end up doomed to perpetual brownouts and blackouts making things even more unstable and unreliable.  This chaos is deliberate.  Rebuilding the grid should be a priority like building the Interstate Highway system was in the 50's.  Eisenhower started it.

In the mean time, we need oil and lot's of it.  Otherwise we will bankrupt ourselves and end up unable to adapt in order to survive simply because we are broke.  The cost of energy more than anything else directly relates to and raises or lowers the quality of life with its costs.
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Posted: Jul 1, 2022 - 6:38am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

In all honesty, until we at least get the "vast majority" of people/politicians believing climate change or just pollution is bad,  and it is necessary to replace fossil fuels with cleaner, more efficient sources, and assuming we continue to see a seesaw, back and forth control from one political group to the other...would we really make any traction?

Still, it's like the Paris Accord...wouldn't really accomplish much, but is quite symbolic.

We really need a coordinated complete plan that both sides buy into, and provides clear transparency towards where we are headed.
e.g., this lack of transparency has contributed to the surge in fuel prices, as oil producers have been hesitant to invest their capital (over years) to increase production.



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Posted: Jul 1, 2022 - 6:00am

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When the planet eventually dies we can all relocate to Mars, with our guns of course. 
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Posted: Jun 30, 2022 - 10:23am

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Posted: Jun 28, 2022 - 12:48pm

Generally weak sauce
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 4:59pm

Next up: fuck the environment!
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 9:59am

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Approved virtue-signalling.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2022 - 8:29am

The campaign to achieve a fascist theocracy continues apace...
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 10:13pm

 islander wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

And I think of you pulling your boat up to the fuel dock these days and laugh my ass off.
You need to slow down on the pot, you are way behind. We've been off the boat for a while. 
 
Pot has nothing to do with anything. 

So you sold yer boat, eh ?  Good for you.  Now you can buy all the Pixie Dust you want !

Like I said before, I pretty much ignore you unless you start up something with me.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 9:37pm

 kurtster wrote:

And I think of you pulling your boat up to the fuel dock these days and laugh my ass off.


You need to slow down on the pot, you are way behind. We've been off the boat for a while. 
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 8:37pm

if the supreme court cannot make decisions in 2022 based on current real-world situations and knowledge, then it's obsolete. trying to interpret what people meant 200 years ago and then trying to apply it to modern times is ridiculous. people can talk about "originalist" bs all they want, but this isn't 1800. this court is obsolete and has no business determining law for the modern times - it has shown itself to be a relic of times past.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 7:51pm

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You're a riot*. *please don't
 
And I think of you pulling your boat up to the fuel dock these days and laugh my ass off.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 7:47pm

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Too late since I was working on the post below all day and believed that you would never answer the question and did not see this until posting mine.  So I made some assumptions about you as you have done about me above, again, as usual.  So there.
And yes you did owe me an explanation since it was you who called me out and I replied.  I did not call you out nor do I read much of anything you post about anything unless you direct it to me and start something.  I largely ignore you and let you go your own merry way.


You're a riot*.

*please don't
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 7:40pm

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Not that I owe it to you, or that you even really care, but for the record:  I'm pro choice, generally pro - human which means women (who are human in my view) have autonomy over their bodies. Abortion is a medical procedure and You (larger you, government you, and Kurtster specifically) have as much business in that decision making for a woman as you would if they had a broken leg - NONE.   You want to care about children, there are millions all over the place that need genuine help, that you (larger/gov/K) are really in a position to help with. That you chose some oddball biblical (sort of) hack ideology to try and force you will on others  is pathetic.  Also, I'm pro 2A. But the whole thing, including the bit about well regulated (originalism and all...). That would also help a lot of children, and women too.  If you need a gun to go to the grocery store, you need a better grocer or better ability to assess risk.
 
Too late since I was working on the post below all day and believed that you would never answer the question and did not see this until posting mine.  So I made some assumptions about you as you have done about me above, again, as usual.  So there.

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And yes you did owe me an explanation since it was you who engaged me first and called me out and I replied.  I did not call you out except in my reply to your accusations which I thought I addressed, evidently not though.  Nor do I read much of anything you post about anything unless you direct it to me and start something.  I largely ignore you and let you go your own merry way.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 7:36pm

 Isabeau wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

My apologies.  I must have missed them from an earlier post of yours.  Perhaps you could direct me to that post or just restate them.
Kurt,

all you do is choose to split short and curlies, not engage in real dialogue.

Its always about everyone else honoring YOUR questions, yet their's are irrelevant.
Do tell me who are the 'experts' to decide what 'life' is. Again I ask, Life is a vaguery until you get down to what you mean. Physical Life? Emotional or Spiritual Life?  YOU put that out there. I'm only trying to clarify. If I projected, well, my bad. As republicans refer to the insurrection, "let's just move on."
But again, you refuse to answer my original question, instead you go off on how YOURS hasn't been answered.
Hopscotch topic diversions are your go-to debate tactics.
Match. Set.
 
This is a highly semantical discussion.  You of all people should understand this as what WOKE is all about is rearranging the language, definitions and even inventing new words. And splitting hairs, be they curly or straight, short or long or any combination of the 4 possibilities in order to define things.  You cannot begin to solve a problem until it is defined and agreed upon.  Problem solving first step 101.  But if you keep changing language and definitions, we will never be able to solve anything.  And I would suggest that it is done so as to avoid solving anything.  

Again, all's that I said is that a conversation needs to be had as a collective society to define what human life is and when it begins and becomes meaningful.

And suggesting a conversation is a crime on my part ?  Really ?

Here let me rephrase my thought.  A conversation needs to be had as a collective society to define what human life is and when it begins and becomes meaningful when it attains rights.  Does that help ?

How about we just start talking about it with the goal of achieving some sort of consensus or finding if a consensus is even possible.  That is the primary point.  We cannot even agree on something as simple as when life begins.

You ask who will be the experts ?   If we already had "EXPERTS" this would have already been decided by now, right ?  We will find out when people come together and start talking to each other which is what I suggested.

Moving towards the middle of the 21st Century, evidently we are still unable to scientifically determine when human life begins despite a whole host of experts who have been speaking to this matter for what has been essentially forever already.

So try this ... The experts are all atheists.  That way religious beliefs are excluded from having any bearing on the answers.  Atheist biologists determine when life begins since you do not trust anyone with religious beliefs.  I guess we also need to determine when the fertilized egg is a human as opposed to some other species, right ?  Then to determine when the human life form attains actual rights, we have a panel of atheist lawyers.  They put forth their conclusions for society as a whole and the debate goes to a new level.

Then we have to consider limits if any based upon this consensus.  I know that people like you and islander and the Democratic Party as an official whole entity will have a hard time with having any limits on abortion.  You want it on demand at any point of the pregnancy without restrictions.  That is a rather extreme position, imo.  Unless it is found that a human life form has no rights until born alive, which could be the determination of the proposed panel(s).

But before we can even get to limits, if any, on abortion, the items I mentioned, imo, need to be resolved.  Once resolved we call a Constitutional Convention and incorporate this consensus as an Amendment, pass it and move on to something else.

For the record one more time.  I clearly stated earlier that an abortion is a medical procedure.  I am pro choice meaning that the decision lies with the host of this life form.  It does not mean that I am pro abortion.  It should be the host only who makes this decision.  The sperm donor has no rights in this decision process.  They can be included should the host wish it, but the host should have the last word.  The only role of government regarding abortion is to make sure that it is safe and safely done.  It is up to the host to find a qualified medical person to perform the abortion should they want one.  I agree with abortions in the cases of rape, incest and the health of the host.  I also agree with the initial determination of R v W that abortions should only be permitted up until the life form has viability outside the womb.  I would agree that the government may pay the cost in the cases of rape and incest since it is no fault of the host.  And perhaps in cases such as mentioned by SteelyD regarding the failed abortion attempt with the twin pregnancy which has high risk complications.  Access to birth control should be open and unrestricted except for medical reasons due to certain conditions present with a given potential host person / entity which is determined by a doctor and resolved with an Rx.

Lastly, I believe that life begins at conception / pollination. 

I fully understand my thoughts expressed above to be held by few here let alone considered reasonable at any level, but there they are.

Did I answer your questions ?

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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 6:35pm

 kurtster wrote:

My apologies.  I must have missed them from an earlier post of yours.  Perhaps you could direct me to that post or just restate them.


Not that I owe it to you, or that you even really care, but for the record:  I'm pro choice, generally pro - human which means women (who are human in my view) have autonomy over their bodies. Abortion is a medical procedure and You (larger you, government you, and Kurtster specifically) have as much business in that decision making for a woman as you would if they had a broken leg - NONE.   You want to care about children, there are millions all over the place that need genuine help, that you (larger/gov/K) are really in a position to help with. That you chose some oddball biblical (sort of) hack ideology to try and force you will on others  is pathetic. 

Also, I'm pro 2A. But the whole thing, including the bit about well regulated (originalism and all...). That would also help a lot of children, and women too.  If you need a gun to go to the grocery store, you need a better grocer or better ability to assess risk.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2022 - 11:45am

 kurtster wrote:

My apologies.  I must have missed them from an earlier post of yours.  Perhaps you could direct me to that post or just restate them.


Kurt, all you do is choose to split short and curlies, not engage in real dialogue. Its always about everyone else honoring YOUR questions, yet their's are irrelevant.
Do tell me who are the 'experts' to decide what 'life' is. Again I ask, Life is a vaguery until you get down to what you mean. Physical Life? Emotional or Spiritual Life? 

YOU put that out there. I'm only trying to clarify. If I projected, well, my bad. As republicans refer to the insurrection, "let's just move on."
But again, you refuse to answer my original question, instead you go off on how YOURS hasn't been answered.
Hopscotch topic diversions are your go-to debate tactics.
Match. Set.


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Posted: Jun 25, 2022 - 10:54pm

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 My thoughts and beliefs are pretty clear to anyone with a basic level of reading comprehension.  That you can't or choose not to isn't my problem. 
 
My apologies.  I must have missed them from an earlier post of yours.  Perhaps you could direct me to that post or just restate them.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2022 - 9:30pm

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Like Izzy, you choose to ignore what was stated and project some bs instead.

Once you decide to get off the fence and actually declare a real position on a specific subject, then I might be willing to have a conversation with you.  You never say what you believe.  You just criticize others for their thoughts and beliefs while holding back your own.  Coward.


Oh jeez, you seem riled. My thoughts and beliefs are pretty clear to anyone with a basic level of reading comprehension.  That you can't or choose not to isn't my problem. 
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