John Kinsel Sr. was one of hundreds from the Navajo tribe recruited by the U.S. military
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Rose and Giamatti agreed to a "lifetime ban", which apparently also placed Rose on the "Permanently Ineligible" list. However, several players who were placed on the "PI" list (including Hall-of-Famers Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Fergie Jenkins) had been reinstated. There's apparently some sort of appeal process. All of Rose's appeals were rejected.
Thanks for that. So he still can get in. He really canât appeal on his behalf though.
I just saw on another, highly reputable site, that the ban was âpermanentâ not âlifetimeâ. Iâm too lazy to research the facts.
Rose and Giamatti agreed to a "lifetime ban", which apparently also placed Rose on the "Permanently Ineligible" list. However, several players who were placed on the "PI" list (including Hall-of-Famers Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Fergie Jenkins) had been reinstated. There's apparently some sort of appeal process. All of Rose's appeals were rejected.
I saw him in Vegas too; probably would have had a card signed if I'd known he would be there but I didn't have a card and wasn't going to buy one. I have a few from 1972, the one year that I bought a bunch of cards. When I walked by, there were people there chatting but I couldn't tell if they were buyers or handlers, but it was a few minutes before the event was supposed to begin and there were people in line to buy cards or photos for him to sign. The autograph alone was something like $75 and the photos/memorabilia was super high so I'm sure he was grossing over $300 per customer.
I agree with the lifetime ban; the bitter cruelty of inducting him now would cement his example for all time. Enshrine the numbers and accomplishments, deny him the personal glory. I'm just that petty.
I just saw on another, highly reputable site, that the ban was âpermanentâ not âlifetimeâ. Iâm too lazy to research the facts.
I saw him in Las Vegas a few years back signing autographs at some sports memorabilia place.
There was nobody in line.
I kinda felt sorry for him.
I saw him in Vegas too; probably would have had a card signed if I'd known he would be there but I didn't have a card and wasn't going to buy one. I have a few from 1972, the one year that I bought a bunch of cards. When I walked by, there were people there chatting but I couldn't tell if they were buyers or handlers, but it was a few minutes before the event was supposed to begin and there were people in line to buy cards or photos for him to sign. The autograph alone was something like $75 and the photos/memorabilia was super high so I'm sure he was grossing over $300 per customer.
I agree with the lifetime ban; the bitter cruelty of inducting him now would cement his example for all time. Enshrine the numbers and accomplishments, deny him the personal glory. I'm just that petty.
In my opinion I think Pete should be in the Hall of Fame for what he did when he was a player and not for what he did as a manager. That's was just plain wrong to have kept him out.
Repost to your repost in the baseball thread:
It was not just plain wrong. No one can dispute Rose's statistical accomplishments as a player but institutions need standards. You say you don't like what he did as a manager (betting on games, i assume) but he eventually admitted doing it as a player as well. Let's not forget that he served time for tax evasion. And he admitted to having sex with a 16 year old (maybe not quite 16) while he was married with 2 children.
I know that many members of the HOF are not angels, but few are so publicly known as despicable as Rose. The HOF is totally justified to refuse to honor him.
In my opinion I think Pete should be in the Hall of Fame for what he did when he was a player and not for what he did as a manager. That's was just plain wrong to have kept him out.
He can go in now.... banned for life.
He really pissed off Paul Giamatti's dad... and his attitude, not his acts, is what kept him out.
On the field, there is no doubt he's one of the all-time great players. For that.... I agree he should go in.
In my opinion I think Pete should be in the Hall of Fame for what he did when he was a player and not for what he did as a manager. That's was just plain wrong to have kept him out.
That's always that horrible "great painter/comedian/musician/filmmaker/athlete but turns out he was a horrible person in his real life."
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Pete Rose dead at 83.
In my opinion I think Pete should be in the Hall of Fame for what he did when he was a player and not for what he did as a manager. That's was just plain wrong to have kept him out.
