It's as if we have tried nothing, and it didn't work, so there is nothing left to do.

*darwin snaps his fingers*

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Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 ...

# Defund The Police ... brought to you by your (our) Democratic party

and people wonder why violent crime is going up ...

Spoken like someone who has no idea what people go through in the hood. Yea guns are the problem. smh

Utah, Florida, New Orleans, Chicago. All just over the weekend. A bunch more in the previous week. There is no threshold anymore. We would call this a failed state if it happened somewhere else (and we would be right).   I'm sad for where we are, and were we are probably headed. 

jiggz and rgio,

Read through your exchange with great interest.   I tend to agree with most of what rgio said.  Hand guns should be limited to law enforcement, military and other trained professionals.  That category includes private security guards.

My view is not one based in some kind of righteousness but rather expected net benefit analysis.   Example, I was standing right beside you jiggz while you kicked the crap out of the B&E artist.  I might have even offered to hold him for you.   

Then I might have suggested another approach not because I cared about the B&E criminal but because I cared about you the victim and potential future victims.   So I might have suggested a slightly less brutal way to subdue and detain the alleged B&E criminal.  One that still imposed some ....err...  'costs' on the person that broke into your home.

jiggz:  On the one hand, I feel for you.   On the other hand, I have to ask.  If the crime rates were so high, why did you not move?

Once upon a time, my wife and I were in a somewhat similar situation.  Getting the police to fix the problem did not work.  The RCMP spent lots of time observing the then 17-year old gang banger but never enforced the release conditions.   We eventually recognized that the only way to resolve that kind of situation was to move.  

In passing, sometime after we had the young banger evicted and we moved out, he and a couple friends committed a B&E looking for a grow-op.  A 97-year old Chinese women came towards them leaning on a walker.  They thought the walker was a weapon (they had been drinking booze and left fingerprints on broken pieces of bottle), swept it out from under her and proceeded to kick the crap out of her. They broke her hip.  

Rosie Leung had her life ruined because enlightened folks think it is OK for juveniles to commit ugly, violent crimes.  

Previously, the 17-year old gang banger was asked to turn down the music, did not, and then the noise complaint morphed into a search & seizure of a shot gun, a rifle, a large calibre hand gun, shells, proceeds and a couple keys of grow-rip weed (yuck....) .  The judge let him out a day later and he immediately got on the smartphone and started bragging to all his buddies.

Poor guy, he had a mild-case of FASD and total dirt-bags for parents (both were alcohol, tobacco and cocaine addicts, the father did hard time for assault, the mother abandoned her teenage children several times.  The youngest, the gang banger with FASD was well known to the local RCMP.

After an almost 5 year stint in prison minus time served, he was arrested for DUI.  I fully expect to read of him murdering somebody in the near future.  Acute attention deficit disorder prevents him from learning anything useful.  But that does not mean that society should stop protecting innocent civilians from these human garbage/monsters.  

Incidentally, I reckon this experience actually hands me a de facto license to kill here in BC if I was ever in a tight spot again.  The police are simply not reliable.  Whether that is actually true or not, I do not care as I am pre-committed to preservation of life and well-being (mine and/or others) and will deal with police and the justice system at a later date.  I can't show up in court if I am dead. 

My best spin is that they don't think it is ok but think that their hands are tied by a narrow and biased interpretation of the second amendment that says "we can't do anything about it because, freedom."

But really I think it is because they think that doing anything about it will weaken their hold on power.

That's part of it. But I think it is even more basic - look at the numbers. How can anyone on any side of the politics look at this and honestly think it's okay?  I'm baffled. 

Seems to me there is a basic failure in thinking that laws should be only used to punish crime, not to prevent crime.

Had to ungrey that comment.   Ungrey is not a word; I just made it up.

Hmmm....  Why the worry?  If they have not been vaccinated, will they be allowed into the country?  

And if they are somehow allowed in, what do they fear?  Being hog-tied and forcibly vaccinated?  Unlikely, given the fear of military invasion.  

Ayup. The NRA and the gun/ammo manufacturers LOVE the Democratic Party.

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My Fox-addicted Floridian in-laws won't be visiting up North this year, because they fear they might be vaccinated up here.