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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 5:56am

 miamizsun wrote:

Although I may agree with you on some philosophical issues, getting my message across, or my delivery may differ. I want to have a conversational. I want to engage people and encourage them to look at life through a "moral and ethical lens". While it may quite obvious to some that you and I have shunned the indoctrination of the state, particularly the initiation of violence/force, the majority don't see it that way. More on this later.

Regards
 
All well & good & I am generally interested in & respect what you have to say but its disappointing to watch the very few conscientious participators constantly having to apologize to the enablers.

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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 5:48am

 nuggler wrote:

What for ? Most everyone to varying degrees seems to be apologizing to this particular individual most of the time simply because he's chosen to roll over & insists that others should do likewise.
All these assaults on our privacy, unwarranted rights to invade your home, unnecessary checkpoints at entertainment centers, SWAT personnel roaming around downtown on weekends, at rock concerts, criminalizing the questioning of a certain population group's absolute right to revise history, regular & unprovoked tazering of spirited citizenry, epidemic police brutality etc. etc. etc. is a deliberate program of pacifying & spooking the populace into sheepish obedience. Cops are resident at all schools incl. junior & kindergarten, occasional schoolyard fisticuffs earns an 8 yr old a criminal record while dumb parents are too blocked out on Prozac to take a stand against a system that is waging psychological & often violent war on them. Your rant is well founded. Time for conscientious Americans to join the world wide Spring. Arab Spring, Spain, Greece, Egypt, Wisconsin, Iceland and Texas & those that choose not to be damned as far as I'm concerned, since they're the ones damning themselves, & their children in their stampede to conform in the vain hope of being allowed to pig out at their trough.


 
Although I may agree with you on some philosophical issues, getting my message across, or my delivery may differ. I want to have a conversational. I want to engage people and encourage them to look at life through a "moral and ethical lens". While it may quite obvious to some that you and I have shunned the indoctrination of the state, particularly the initiation of violence/force, the majority don't see it that way. More on this later.

Regards

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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 5:33am

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A most important Memorial Day speech that should have been aired on all network channels worldwide. The Memorial for the fallen ideals of America. After 9/11 it was anathema to link terrorism to US foreign policy & totally unthinkable by a Republican yet three times he calls it. Very significant though lost to most I'm sure. Rome, my friend, is burning while self-absorbed egotists insist that we all fiddle.


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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 12:04am

 nuggler wrote:

What for ? Most everyone to varying degrees seems to be apologizing to this particular individual most of the time simply because he's chosen to roll over & insists that others should do likewise.
All these assaults on our privacy, unwarranted rights to invade your home, unnecessary checkpoints at entertainment centers, SWAT personnel roaming around downtown on weekends, at rock concerts, criminalizing the questioning of a certain population group's absolute right to revise history, regular & unprovoked tazering of spirited citizenry, epidemic police brutality etc. etc. etc. is a deliberate program of pacifying & spooking the populace into sheepish obedience. Cops are resident at all schools incl. junior & kindergarten, occasional schoolyard fisticuffs earns an 8 yr old a criminal record while dumb parents are too blocked out on Prozac to take a stand against a system that is waging psychological & often violent war on them. Your rant is well founded. Time for conscientious Americans to join the world wide Spring. Arab Spring, Spain, Greece, Egypt, Wisconsin, Iceland and Texas & those that choose not to be damned as far as I'm concerned, since they're the ones damning themselves, & their children in their stampede to conform in the vain hope of being allowed to pig out at their trough.




 
Patrick blames Dewhurst for death of ‘anti-groping' bill

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 10:19pm

 miamizsun wrote:

first, i apologize if i came across as harsh with my comment, that's not my intention. it is just the fact that we've got people practically starving to death and our government is even wasting money on more aggression against its own people. for what? bad guys from southwest asia? it just makes no sense to me. if we back up and look at over 50 years of terrible foreign policy in the ME, constantly meddling, bombing/murder, sanctions, etc., what do we think their response is going to be? yet instead of our government reeling in its mega expensive massive death machine, we get more aggression and violence there and here at home. our government is going in the wrong direction and it is using force and aggression to manufacture even more in response. again, sorry for the rant, i'm just tired of the groping, the financial rape and sponsoring murder abroad via perpetual war. i know we can do better. peace.

 
What for ? Most everyone to varying degrees seems to be apologizing to this particular individual most of the time simply because he's chosen to roll over & insists that others should do likewise.
All these assaults on our privacy, unwarranted rights to invade your home, unnecessary checkpoints at entertainment centers, SWAT personnel roaming around downtown on weekends, at rock concerts, criminalizing the questioning of a certain population group's absolute right to revise history, regular & unprovoked tazering of spirited citizenry, epidemic police brutality etc. etc. etc. is a deliberate program of pacifying & spooking the populace into sheepish obedience. Cops are resident at all schools incl. junior & kindergarten, occasional schoolyard fisticuffs earns an 8 yr old a criminal record while dumb parents are too blocked out on Prozac to take a stand against a system that is waging psychological & often violent war on them. Your rant is well founded. Time for conscientious Americans to join the world wide Spring. Arab Spring, Spain, Greece, Egypt, Wisconsin, Iceland and Texas & those that choose not to be damned as far as I'm concerned, since they're the ones damning themselves, & their children in their stampede to conform in the vain hope of being allowed to pig out at their trough.





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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 10:04pm

 miamizsun wrote:

Certainly not the public. It would seem the film was aimed at some political decision makers or at some department heads/czars who would have the authority to give this the go ahead. (a sales pitch)
 

 
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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 9:35pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 miamizsun wrote:
Are you ready for pre-crime and/or thought crime?

(my guess is that out of ignorance, stupidity and fear people are going to sit on their thumbs and let this kind of insanity roll on out)

This is a DHS R&D project...which means it's at least half vaporware. A mobile security screen makes sense, but the tests they're applying to the technology are pretty contrived. The latest documentation I can find on the program is from 2009. This was Draper Labs award for a one-year project, and the Navy is working on something similar. If that had succeeded DHS would be making a lot of noise about it, and they haven't. Stuff like this gets hyped by the developers as if it were ready to rock and roll...and they almost never are.

If this were a DARPA project that might be a different story.

I have to wonder tho: what was Battelle thinking when they produced this video? Who did they think would be impressed by asking people questions that are none of their business?
 
Certainly not the public. It would seem the film was aimed at some political decision makers or at some department heads/czars who would have the authority to give this the go ahead. (a sales pitch)

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 9:30pm

There's a secret Patriot Act, Senator Says

You think you understand how the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on its citizens. Sen. Ron Wyden says it's worse than you know.

Congress is set to reauthorize three controversial provisions of the surveillance law as early as Thursday. Wyden (D-Oregon) says that powers they grant the government on their face, the government applies a far broader legal interpretation - an interpretation that the government has conveniently classified, so it cannot be publicly assessed or challenged. But one prominent Patriot-watcher asserts that the secret interpretation empowers the government to deploy "dragnets" for massive amounts of information on private citizens; the government portrays its data-collection efforts much differently.

"We're getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says," Wyden told Danger Room in an interview in his Senate office. "When you've got that kind of a gap, you're going to have a problem on your hands."

and this

"I'm talking about instances where the government is relying on secret interpretations of what the law says without telling the public what those interpretations are," Wyden says, "and the reliance on secret interpretations of the law is growing."


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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 9:12pm

 winter wrote:

A) Is it really so inconceivable that intelligent, well-informed, non-panicky people might make different choices than you? B) This seems like a far cry from the Orwellian nightmare you invoke. People get asked a few questions, and security officers with surveillance equipment try to guess if they're dissembling or have malicious intent.

 
first, i apologize if i came across as harsh with my comment, that's not my intention. it is just the fact that we've got people practically starving to death and our government is even wasting money on more aggression against its own people. for what? bad guys from southwest asia? it just makes no sense to me. if we back up and look at over 50 years of terrible foreign policy in the ME, constantly meddling, bombing/murder, sanctions, etc., what do we think their response is going to be? yet instead of our government reeling in its mega expensive massive death machine, we get more aggression and violence there and here at home. our government is going in the wrong direction and it is using force and aggression to manufacture even more in response. again, sorry for the rant, i'm just tired of the groping, the financial rape and sponsoring murder abroad via perpetual war. i know we can do better. peace.


winter

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 8:24am

 miamizsun wrote:
Are you ready for pre-crime and/or thought crime?

(my guess is that out of ignorance, stupidity and fear people are going to sit on their thumbs and let this kind of insanity roll on out)


 


A) Is it really so inconceivable that intelligent, well-informed, non-panicky people might make different choices than you?

B) This seems like a far cry from the Orwellian nightmare you invoke. People get asked a few questions, and security officers with surveillance equipment try to guess if they're dissembling or have malicious intent.
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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 8:12am

 beamends wrote:

Yeah, and unfortunately it's coming back on Channel 5 later this year. Oh, wait.....
 

wrong Big Brother, citizen.


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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 8:10am

 oldslabsides wrote:

EVERYTHING is Big Brother's business, citizen.
 
Yeah, and unfortunately it's coming back on Channel 5 later this year. Oh, wait.....

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 8:07am

 Lazy8 wrote:
I have to wonder tho: what was Battelle thinking when they produced this video? Who did they think would be impressed by asking people questions that are none of their business?
 
EVERYTHING is Big Brother's business, citizen.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 7:59am

 miamizsun wrote:
Are you ready for pre-crime and/or thought crime?

(my guess is that out of ignorance, stupidity and fear people are going to sit on their thumbs and let this kind of insanity roll on out)

This is a DHS R&D project...which means it's at least half vaporware. A mobile security screen makes sense, but the tests they're applying to the technology are pretty contrived. The latest documentation I can find on the program is from 2009. This was Draper Labs award for a one-year project, and the Navy is working on something similar. If that had succeeded DHS would be making a lot of noise about it, and they haven't. Stuff like this gets hyped by the developers as if it were ready to rock and roll...and they almost never are.

If this were a DARPA project that might be a different story.

I have to wonder tho: what was Battelle thinking when they produced this video? Who did they think would be impressed by asking people questions that are none of their business?

miamizsun

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 4:48am

Are you ready for pre-crime and/or thought crime?

(my guess is that out of ignorance, stupidity and fear people are going to sit on their thumbs and let this kind of insanity roll on out)

winter

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Posted: Sep 14, 2010 - 10:13pm

Sweet! He owes me $20.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2010 - 7:05pm

 steeler wrote:

 The summary here is not quite accurate.

It is true that totally different subjects can be addressed within a single piece of legislation.  However, if something is being added to a bill, it must be done by amendment. And the Congressmen get to vote on that amendment.  A vote against the amendment means the nongermane provision is not added to the bill.  Conversely, if a nongermane provision is already in a bill, it can be removed by amendment, which requires a vote. So, it is not quite true that the provisions pertaining to 2 different topics but contained in the same bill cannot be separated.  They can be.

I    
 
:bump:

Amendments are also added for expediency rather than sneakiness.  

Remember the stimulus bill?  (Am I remembering this right?) It was attached to a bill on the floor that was about plastic bins or something.  They did this because otherwise it would have taken forever.  
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Posted: Sep 14, 2010 - 5:49pm

 kurtster wrote:
I may be wrong, but I believe that the line item veto as it pertains to bills passed by Congress was already ruled unconstitutional.  Clinton actually tried it and it went to the Supreme Court and they ruled against it.  It would require an Amendment.  While legal and frequently used in many states, not at the federal level.

It also assumes the President isn't in on whatever deal got made.

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