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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 10:40am

 wallacehartley wrote:
Well, i had to Google what Rick roller was.......{#Cheesygrin}
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQnoZUR6fvY
 
I have forgotten how to insert a link to a video here.
 
 
i'll have a look again to see how to do that....
 
I don't see how to do it from a cursory glance. I will put re time into that.
 
I don't expect to be understood here, which is hard to come to terms with because i count most of you as friends and would travel a long way to spend time with you.
I guess I believe this mostly because I realise that many who read this will have become attuned to the CNN and BBC-type narratives, but you really, really need to know that at least some of what you see on certainly CNN and BBC is not always true.
 
For instance this is mostly bullshit.      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zp7suN3bgY
 
I saw another CNN or it might have been BBC thing ( and it was that which prompted my post about fake news) about white farmers responding to Trump, telling him to stay out of their business....definite bullshit.  I will look for it.
 
A single non-white woman farmer who is 2IC at AgriSA ( an increasingly Government allied organisation) made a tweet to that effect.
 
However, overwhelmingly the South African farmers are grateful for any attention they can get and have posted many many videos actually thanking Trump for his tweet.
 
I can provide links if you'd like.
 
There is big trouble coming here and another Zimbabwe is on the cards.
 
It has nothing to do with white supremacists.
There are white supremacists in SA as there are everywhere, but they are really few and far between and keep a very very low profile. South Africans merely seek a peaceful co-existence and an improvement in conditions for everyone.
 
White Farmers are absolutely under attack and the Government is refusing to even discuss it and are amending the Constituion to facilitate the seizure of not only land from farmers but have declared that they will look at seizing other assets as well - pension funds, medical schemes, savings.
The land is the thin end of the wedge and the record to date on land redistribution shows that the deeds for the land will not ever be handed to the new owners but will be held by the state. In the recent past, when given the choice between restitution of land illegally taken during apartheid or cash compensation, recipients have overwhelmingly decided in favour of cash.
 
This land thing....it's Socialism.
 
The most recent figures I heard about farm murder ratios put it somewhere around 159 or 169 ( I can't remember which) per 100 000. I think the miurder rate in the US, including your mass murders, is smoething like 4.8 per 100 000. INTERPOL has stated that farming in South Africa is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.
 
My 83 year old blind mother was attacked, raped, and terrorised for hours by three AK47 wielding attackers in 2013 and left for dead, nothing was taken - it was not a robbery. But thats besides the point. I have twice defended my family from four armed thugs who were already inside my house on the farm when I woke up.
I know of many many people who have suffered farm attacks and murders of the most brutal kind- -unimagineable brutality...the woman who suffered having holes bored into her bones with an electric drill because she refused to tell the attackers where the safe was...because she was afraid that they would find the angle grinder next to the safe and come back and use it on her instead of the drill...I could go on and on and on....but that is besides the point as I say.
 
Our small family farm ( about 20 acres) is in the process of being bought, on very very favourable terms, by a young black farmer ( who calls me brother and who I have known for years along with his family) who is hurriedly trying to conclude the purchase before expropriation gathers momentum because he wants the title deeds to the land because, as he said to me, expropriated land does not come with title deeds and thus no access to capital for farming equipment and improvements.
He can see the lie.
 
The narrative about the land being stolen is incorrect, but popular. I would be happy to give some background to this.
 
Don't assume that because some South Africans are white and others black that the black South Africans have an inalienable right to land because it was all stolen from them.
It really isn't true. If you want some links to that history I can look and find for you.
 
It's like having your home and all you possess taken away from you because you look like the people who settled America hundreds of years ago. And then perhaps murdered for fun. For the same reason.
 
When the real problem is perhaps a failing mismanaged economy and unemployment over 30%.
 
It is possible that his land uproar is a distraction from the real problems we face. Unimaginable corruption. Lawlessness. Failure to deliver on promises of housing etc.
 
I leave you with these.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrdwVZoPzw
 
and this       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1tdMpm1i2I
 
I am not a white supremacist, I am not Bokey either. I am liberal.
 
I would be happy to engage with anyone in calm rational discussion about this issue and others around South Africa.
I don't, unfortunately, expect to be approved of because, I realise, much of what I might say is contrary to the popular mainstream narrative.
 
And for that I am sad.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
Thanks, G. I will look into your links this evening.
wallacehartley

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 10:22am

Well, i had to Google what Rick roller was.......{#Cheesygrin}
 
 
 
I don't expect to be understood here, which is hard to come to terms with because i count most of you as friends and would travel a long way to spend time with you.
I guess I believe this mostly because I realise that many who read this will have become attuned to the CNN and BBC-type narratives, but you really, really need to know that at least some of what you see on certainly CNN and BBC is not always true.
 
For instance this is mostly bullshit.     
 
I saw another CNN or it might have been BBC thing ( and it was that which prompted my post about fake news) about white farmers responding to Trump, telling him to stay out of their business....definite bullshit.  I will look for it.
 
A single non-white woman farmer who is 2IC at AgriSA ( an increasingly Government allied organisation) made a tweet to that effect.
 
However, overwhelmingly the South African farmers are grateful for any attention they can get and have posted many many videos actually thanking Trump for his tweet.
 
I can provide links if you'd like.
 
There is big trouble coming here and another Zimbabwe is on the cards.
 
It has nothing to do with white supremacists.
There are white supremacists in SA as there are everywhere, but they are really few and far between and keep a very very low profile. South Africans merely seek a peaceful co-existence and an improvement in conditions for everyone.
 
White Farmers are absolutely under attack and the Government is refusing to even discuss it and are amending the Constituion to facilitate the seizure of not only land from farmers but have declared that they will look at seizing other assets as well - pension funds, medical schemes, savings.
The land is the thin end of the wedge and the record to date on land redistribution shows that the deeds for the land will not ever be handed to the new owners but will be held by the state. In the recent past, when given the choice between restitution of land illegally taken during apartheid or cash compensation, recipients have overwhelmingly decided in favour of cash.
 
This land thing....it's Socialism.
 
The most recent figures I heard about farm murder ratios put it somewhere around 159 or 169 ( I can't remember which) per 100 000. I think the miurder rate in the US, including your mass murders, is smoething like 4.8 per 100 000. INTERPOL has stated that farming in South Africa is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.
 
My 83 year old blind mother was attacked, raped, and terrorised for hours by three AK47 wielding attackers in 2013 and left for dead, nothing was taken - it was not a robbery. But thats besides the point. I have twice defended my family from four armed thugs who were already inside my house on the farm when I woke up.
I know of many many people who have suffered farm attacks and murders of the most brutal kind- -unimagineable brutality...the woman who suffered having holes bored into her bones with an electric drill because she refused to tell the attackers where the safe was...because she was afraid that they would find the angle grinder next to the safe and come back and use it on her instead of the drill...I could go on and on and on....but that is besides the point as I say.
 
Our small family farm ( about 20 acres) is in the process of being bought, on very very favourable terms, by a young black farmer ( who calls me brother and who I have known for years along with his family) who is hurriedly trying to conclude the purchase before expropriation gathers momentum because he wants the title deeds to the land because, as he said to me, expropriated land does not come with title deeds and thus no access to capital for farming equipment and improvements.
He can see the lie.
 
The narrative about the land being stolen is incorrect, but popular. I would be happy to give some background to this.
 
Don't assume that because some South Africans are white and others black that the black South Africans have an inalienable right to land because it was all stolen from them.
It really isn't true. If you want some links to that history I can look and find for you.
 
It's like having your home and all you possess taken away from you because you look like the people who settled America hundreds of years ago. And then perhaps murdered for fun. For the same reason.
 
When the real problem is perhaps a failing mismanaged economy and unemployment over 30%.
 
It is possible that his land uproar is a distraction from the real problems we face. Unimaginable corruption. Lawlessness. Failure to deliver on promises of housing etc.
 
I leave you with these....
 
 
and this      
 
I am not a white supremacist, I am not Bokey either. I am liberal.
 
I would be happy to engage with anyone in calm rational discussion about this issue and others around South Africa.
I don't, unfortunately, expect to be approved of because, I realise, much of what I might say is contrary to the popular mainstream narrative.
 
And for that I am sad.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


miamizsun

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 5:09am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Is this the new Rick Roll?

 
 that is something minus everything which is nothing

however a rick roll is less than nothing

in space even black holes are sucked into rick rolls


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 4:56am

 miamizsun wrote: 
Is this the new Rick Roll?
miamizsun

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 4:50am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Please to elaborate? Links?

 

¬

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 4:09am

 wallacehartley wrote:
Well, well, well.......fake news is actually a real thing, people.
 
I just done seen it wit' mine own eyes.
 
CNN - there you go!
BBC - there you go!


 
Please to elaborate? Links?
wallacehartley

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Location: Cape Town South Africa
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 29, 2018 - 12:35am

Well, well, well.......fake news is actually a real thing, people.
 
I just done seen it wit' mine own eyes.
 
CNN - there you go!
BBC - there you go!

Coaxial

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Posted: Nov 28, 2010 - 7:59am

 wallacehartley wrote:
{#Bounce}{#Bounce}{#Bounce}YOWZERS!!!

Well, whaddaya, whaddaya......

Tooling around the innertubes updating my log etc...thought I would drop in and say Hi to all!
Yup, I am a radio ham!
ZR6XZ

Internet activity extremely sporadic for me these days, I get online maybe once in three months. Things stumbling along out here - about 58 murders a day in a country of about 45million pop. Gov is now readily admitting they don't have money for the things they promised back then, corruption is rife and rampant, we will be like Zimbabwe inless than ten years. FIFA World cup was a crippling expense - stadia have yet to be paid for etc. It's all a sad joke, really.

The good news is that we are plodding along, happy and safe and now living in a place where can at least get to keep our stuff safe. It got a bit much having to load the linen and pots and hi-fi in the car whenever we went out at night just so we would have some stuff to sleep under and cook in when we got back.We got burgled and robbed a total of 14 times in 7 years - living in three different places. The last time I caught and forcefully arrested a bloke rifling through my old VW Kombi one Saturday morning outside the bank - that may have been number 15 - I dunno, I lost count maybe. So eventually the mag declared him to be a habitual and he got 16 years, should be out in about 3 or whatever. So it goes, as Mr Vonnegut once wrote.

Did a bit of writing, got some published and made a bit of money, got my PC with all my research, drafts, ready to go stuff etc stolen. Yeh, the backups on CD-ROM were stashed in a briefcase in a cupboard, but that got taken too. Working now for a local representation of the DANA Corporation - worst company I ever worked for...I am not saying that DANA is, I have no idea, but their local op is a bit grim. But not as bad as a sweatshop, I guess.

Anyway, family is well and fine, amateur radio is something I have wanted to do for forty years, eventually got around to it.
Studying for qualification as a hypnotherapist....

Hope you are all well, the site is superb! Nice one Bill and Rebecca.

Peace all! Oh, and a belated Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!{#Wave}

 
Thanks for checking in Geoff. So good to hear that you and yours are well. Sorry you've been victimized by crime so many times, glad you are in a safer place now.

Take care,

Randy

Red_Dragon

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Posted: Nov 28, 2010 - 4:03am

 wallacehartley wrote:
{#Bounce}{#Bounce}{#Bounce}YOWZERS!!!

Well, whaddaya, whaddaya......

Tooling around the innertubes updating my log etc...thought I would drop in and say Hi to all!
Yup, I am a radio ham!
ZR6XZ

Internet activity extremely sporadic for me these days, I get online maybe once in three months. Things stumbling along out here - about 58 murders a day in a country of about 45million pop. Gov is now readily admitting they don't have money for the things they promised back then, corruption is rife and rampant, we will be like Zimbabwe inless than ten years. FIFA World cup was a crippling expense - stadia have yet to be paid for etc. It's all a sad joke, really.

The good news is that we are plodding along, happy and safe and now living in a place where can at least get to keep our stuff safe. It got a bit much having to load the linen and pots and hi-fi in the car whenever we went out at night just so we would have some stuff to sleep under and cook in when we got back.We got burgled and robbed a total of 14 times in 7 years - living in three different places. The last time I caught and forcefully arrested a bloke rifling through my old VW Kombi one Saturday morning outside the bank - that may have been number 15 - I dunno, I lost count maybe. So eventually the mag declared him to be a habitual and he got 16 years, should be out in about 3 or whatever. So it goes, as Mr Vonnegut once wrote.

Did a bit of writing, got some published and made a bit of money, got my PC with all my research, drafts, ready to go stuff etc stolen. Yeh, the backups on CD-ROM were stashed in a briefcase in a cupboard, but that got taken too. Working now for a local representation of the DANA Corporation - worst company I ever worked for...I am not saying that DANA is, I have no idea, but their local op is a bit grim. But not as bad as a sweatshop, I guess.

Anyway, family is well and fine, amateur radio is something I have wanted to do for forty years, eventually got around to it.
Studying for qualification as a hypnotherapist....

Hope you are all well, the site is superb! Nice one Bill and Rebecca.

Peace all! Oh, and a belated Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!{#Wave}

 
{#Wave} Yourself!

Good to hear from you Geoff.  Sounds as if you need to move!

wallacehartley

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Posted: Nov 28, 2010 - 2:01am

{#Bounce}{#Bounce}{#Bounce}YOWZERS!!!

Well, whaddaya, whaddaya......

Tooling around the innertubes updating my log etc...thought I would drop in and say Hi to all!
Yup, I am a radio ham!
ZR6XZ

Internet activity extremely sporadic for me these days, I get online maybe once in three months. Things stumbling along out here - about 58 murders a day in a country of about 45million pop. Gov is now readily admitting they don't have money for the things they promised back then, corruption is rife and rampant, we will be like Zimbabwe inless than ten years. FIFA World cup was a crippling expense - stadia have yet to be paid for etc. It's all a sad joke, really.

The good news is that we are plodding along, happy and safe and now living in a place where can at least get to keep our stuff safe. It got a bit much having to load the linen and pots and hi-fi in the car whenever we went out at night just so we would have some stuff to sleep under and cook in when we got back.We got burgled and robbed a total of 14 times in 7 years - living in three different places. The last time I caught and forcefully arrested a bloke rifling through my old VW Kombi one Saturday morning outside the bank - that may have been number 15 - I dunno, I lost count maybe. So eventually the mag declared him to be a habitual and he got 16 years, should be out in about 3 or whatever. So it goes, as Mr Vonnegut once wrote.

Did a bit of writing, got some published and made a bit of money, got my PC with all my research, drafts, ready to go stuff etc stolen. Yeh, the backups on CD-ROM were stashed in a briefcase in a cupboard, but that got taken too. Working now for a local representation of the DANA Corporation - worst company I ever worked for...I am not saying that DANA is, I have no idea, but their local op is a bit grim. But not as bad as a sweatshop, I guess.

Anyway, family is well and fine, amateur radio is something I have wanted to do for forty years, eventually got around to it.
Studying for qualification as a hypnotherapist....

Hope you are all well, the site is superb! Nice one Bill and Rebecca.

Peace all! Oh, and a belated Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!{#Wave}


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Posted: Sep 15, 2008 - 5:56am

 wallacehartley wrote:
Ndaa vho Wallace... vha ri mini murathu... a greeting from da Venda booi.

Eish... just returned from a walkabout down ur neck of the woods. Y didn't u tell me about the Blue Moon ????

Lekka venue. Saw some fairly average bands there, but the setting is awesome. Watta real little jewel. I could really get myself back there sumtyme.

... always in da boosh {#Sunny}

Damnable YOWZERS!!!

Anuzzer SoufEffrican!

My weekend is made........

Sawubona from Nelspruit, mfowethu!

Off to the bush for the weekend - Orpen Gate.
 


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