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Posted: May 3, 2011 - 10:00pm

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As an American, my national attitude is that Pakistan can kiss my ass... I'll bet they are nationally excited in India...


Pakistan's Bin Laden Bungle to Lift India's US Ties, Economy

The extent of Pakistani cooperation in the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden is still unclear, but because the al Qaeda leader was found just 35 miles north of the country's capital, the killing will be symbolic of Pakistan's reluctant and tense political and military relationship with America. In fact, investors said, it may put an end to this relationship, turning the focus on the U.S. to build further political and economic ties with India.

"It exposes Pakistan as not a true ally and gives them very few chips left to bargain with America," said Alec Levine, a managing director at WallachBeth Capital, in New York. "India is the big winner here."



 

Pakistan is an Islamic nation & western fascist states driven by Israel are conducting an all out war against Islam, so why would they or any other Islamic nation co-operate with the US ? Right now its a marriage of convenience. They can't wait for China to pull the plug. Its Psychology 101, man. Surely you can figure that out ?

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Posted: Feb 27, 2011 - 10:34am


So who is the Axis of Evil then . . . ?

Pakistani and Indian Newspapers Say US CIA Contractor Raymond Davis is a Terrorist

Pakistani and Indian Newspapers Say US CIA Contractor Raymond Davis is a Terrorist
Lahore, Pakistan. (Photo: colincookman)

Pakistani and Indian newspapers are reporting that Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor in jail in Lahore facing murder charges for the execution-slayings of two young men believed to by Pakistani intelligence operatives, was actually involved in organizing terrorist activities in Pakistan.

As the Express Tribune, an English-language daily that is linked to the International Herald Tribune, reported on Feb. 22:

“The Lahore killings were a blessing in disguise for our security agencies who suspected that Davis was masterminding terrorist activities in Lahore and other parts of Punjab,” a senior official in the Punjab Police claimed.

“His close ties with the TTP were revealed during the investigations,” he added. “Davis was instrumental in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Taliban to fuel the bloody insurgency.” Call records of the cellphones recovered from Davis have established his links with 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from the TTP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi sectarian outfit, sources said.

The article goes on to explain a motive for why the US, which on the one hand has been openly pressing Pakistan to move militarily against Taliban forces in the border regions abutting Afghanistan, would have a contract agent actively encouraging terrorist acts within Pakistan, saying:

Davis was also said to be working on a plan to give credence to the American notion that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not safe. For this purpose, he was setting up a group of the Taliban which would do his bidding.

According to a report in the Economic Times of India, a review by police investigators of calls placed by Davis on some of the cell phones found on his person and in his rented Honda Civic after the shooting showed calls to 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from the banned Pakistani Taliban, and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an group identified as terrorist organization by both the US and Pakistan, which has been blamed for the assassination of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, and for the brutal slaying of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. (You'd think this would be a big story for the Wall Street Journal, especially on the editorial page, but so far, there has been no mention of it in Murdoch's rag.)

Meanwhile, while the US continues to claim that Davis was “defending himself” against two armed robbers, the Associated Press is reporting that its sources in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI), are telling them that Davis “knew both men he killed.”

The AP report, which was run in Thursday’s Washington Post, claims the ISI says it “had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he was arrested,” that he had contacts in Pakistan’s tribal regions, and that his visa applications contained “bogus references and phone numbers.”

The article quotes a “senior Pakistani intelligence official” as saying the ISI “fears there are hundreds of CIA contractors presently operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of the Pakistan government or the intelligence agency.”

In an indication that Pakistan is hardening its stance against caving to US pressure to spring Davis from jail, the Express Tribune quotes sources in the Pakistani Foreign Office as saying that the US has been pressing them to forge backdated documents that would allow the US to claim that Davis worked for the US Embassy. President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other top US officials have been trying to claim Davis was an Embassy employee, and not, as they originally stated, and as he himself told arresting police officers, just a contractor working out of the Lahore Consulate. The difference is critical, since most Embassy employees get blanket immunity for their activities, while consular employees, under the Vienna Conventions, only are given immunity for things done during and in the course of their official duties.

The US had submitted a list of its Embassy workers to the Foreign Office on Jan. 20, a week before the shooting. That list had 48 names on it, and Davis was not one of them. A day after the shooting, the Embassy submitted a “revised” list, claiming rather improbably that it had “overlooked” Davis. At the time of his arrest, Davis was carrying a regular passport, not a diplomatic one, though the Consulate in Lahore rushed over the following day and tried to get police to let them swap his well-worn regular passport for a shiny new diplomatic one (they were rebuffed). Davis was also carrying a Department of Defense contractor ID when he was arrested, further complicating the picture of who his real employer might be.


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Posted: Feb 24, 2011 - 4:41am

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Sound of big shit hitting fan

Speaking of lies, deception & false flag operations, against an ALLY. My how the dominoes are tumbling in this time of Revelation
 
See what happens when you don't pay attention . . . .?

Fake Al Qaeda

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ." — Pierre-Henri Bunel

"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".

So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?

 

The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ... said that al-Qaeda militants were operating in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon. "We know that they are there. We know that they are in Lebanon, working closely with Hezbollah. We know that they are in the region," he said. <BBC News - 12/5/2002>
Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said that Israel had set up the mock cell in order to justify attacks in Palestinian areas. <BBC News - 12/8/2002>

Mossad agents arrested by the PA for attempting to set up phony 'al Qaeda' cells in the Gaza Strip.

The full story:

larouchepub.com - Mossad Exposed in Phony 'Palestinian Al-Qaeda' Caper

antiwar.com - By Way of Deception, by Justin Raimondo

smh.com.au - Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'

Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." <Washington Times - 9/10/2001>

Adam Yahiye Gadahn: The Fake Terrorist

Images from official FBI wanted poster for terrorist Adam Yahiye Gadahn

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.


Sent in by a reader: I recently saw the article you linked about Adam Pearlman and his brand new feature film in which he plays the character Azzam Al-Amrika. As someone who speaks Arabic, I thought it would be interesting for WRH readers to know a little bit about this particular name. First, Azzam in Arabic means either "determined" or "resolved". Second, "Al-Amrika" (it's sometimes spelled "Amerika") translates back to "America". Interesting use of words Mr. Pearlman is using for a name, I'd say. But even without having to translate the whole name, no Arab has the last name of Amrika. The name, translated, almost sounds like a Bush soundbite.





And another faker surfaces!

On any given day, log on to RevolutionMuslim.com and a host of startling images appear:

- The Statue of Liberty, with an ax blade cutting through her side;

- Video mocking the beheading of American journalist Daniel Pearl, entitled "Daniel Pearl I am Happy Your Dead :) ";

- Video of a puppet show lampooning U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq;

- The latest speech from Sheikh Abdullah Faisal, an extremist Muslim cleric convicted in the UK and later deported for soliciting the murder of non-Muslims.

Even more surprising is that RevolutionMuslim.com isn't being maintained in some remote safe house in Pakistan. Instead, Yousef al-Khattab, the Web site creator, runs it from his home in the New York City Borough of Queens.

...

Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a "racist cult."

Abu Tallah Al-Amrikee, the "muslim" who threatened South Park using the above RevolutionMuslim.com website, is really named Zachary Adam Chesser!

Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent

ONE of al-Qaeda's most dangerous figures has been revealed as a double agent working for MI5, raising criticism from European governments, which repeatedly called for his arrest.

Britain ignored warnings - which began before the September 11 attacks - from half a dozen friendly governments about Abu Qatada's links with terrorist groups and refused to arrest him. Intelligence chiefs hid from European allies their intention to use the cleric as a key informer against Islamic militants in Britain.

...

Indignant French officials accused MI5 of helping the cleric to abscond. While he remained on the run, one intelligence chief in Paris was quoted as saying: "British intelligence is saying they have no idea where he is, but we know where he is and, if we know, I'm quite sure they do."


From a reader:

So,

1. We have MI5 (British CIA) posing as Alqueda.
"Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent", http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-1050175,00.html

2. We have Mossad (Israel CIA) posing as ALqueda in Palestine: fakealqaeda.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2949idf_qaeda.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120902.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/palestinians_arrest_al_qaeda_poseurs.htm
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=241042&contrassID=2&subContrass
ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=241042
terrorist.html

3. We have USA posing as Alqueda:
fakealqaeda.html

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah. But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

3. We have israel posing as alqueda in the phillipines.
http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV2004061411759.html

The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as "members of the SAS elite special forces" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm). They were disguised by wigs and Arab dress. Iraqi sources reported that the Iraqi police were watching the two, and when they tried to approach them they shot two policemen and tried to escape the scene. The Iraqi police chased and captured them, to discover large amount of explosives planted in the car, which apparently was planned to be remotely detonated in the busy market of Basra. The SAS involvement in Iraq was discovered on the 30th of January 2005 when an RAF Hercules plane crashed near Baghdad killing then British servicemen after dropping off fifty SAS members north of Baghdad to fight Iraqi guerillas.

ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE WATCHING THE RIGHT ENEMY !!!!!!!

CIA + Mossad + MI5 = AlQueada

The greatest false-flag operations conducting in the history on man !!!! In case you weren't paying attention...

  • When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman
  • Zbigniew Brzezinski: "Your cause is right, God is on your side."
  • CIA "Arranged" for Passports for Al Qaeda Terrorists & Brought Them to the USA to Recruit for Jihads
  • Will the CIA Leave Their Saudi Partners in Crime Holding the Bag?
  • "The Farce Goes On - The Hunt for Ayman Zawahiri, Mohammad Omar, & Osama
  • "Moussaoui, Khadr, & Ressam Are "Graduates" of CIA's Khalden Camp for Afghanistan & Balkans "Jihads"
  • Bin Laden Puppetmasters Smoked Out In Balkans
  • The CIA arranged for HUM guerrillas to fight in Bosnia & Kosovo
  • Bin-Ladin and KLA have a 'joint' cash box in the United States
  • The CIA & Bin Laden worked hand-in-glove in KLA operations
  • U.S. Protects Al-Qaeda Terrorists in Kosovo
  • America used Islamists to arm the Bosnian Muslims
  • Bosnia, 1 degree of separation from Al-Qaeda
  • Where was the "Concern" about "al-Qaida Operating in Iran" during the War in Bosnia?
  • Terror mastermind with taste for high life
  • US Has Al Qaida Backers List
  • CIA Told "Malaysian secret police" to "Monitor" Al Qaeda Meeting on Plans to Hit WTC on 9-11-2001
  • The CIA's "Operation Cyclone" - Stirring the Hornet's Nest of Islamic Unrest"
  • The Muslim Brotherhood: The Globalists' Secret Weapon
  • U.S. Armed, Promoted Accused September 11 Terrorist Mastermind
  • CIA Bankrolled System of Madrassas & Training Camps to Brainwash "Jihad" Warriors
  • British Press Gagged on Reporting MI6's �100,000 bin Laden Payoff
  • Ramzi Yousef was part of a CIA recruitment drive in New York and he did have "ties" to Bin Laden
  • CIA Recruits Terrorist Agents At Guantanamo
  • Oregon group thrives despite al Qaeda ties
  • Sniper link to al Qaeda investigated
  • Who is behind the "Terrorist Network" in Northern Iraq, Baghdad or Washington?

     


  • See Also:

    Israeli suspected to be a member of al-Qaeda arrested in the Philippines
    Is 'Al Qaeda' the modern incarnation of 'Emmanuel Goldstein'?
    A "Palestinian Terrorist" Wearing the Star of David
    The 5 Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9/11



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    Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 5:00am



    Sound of big shit hitting fan

    Speaking of lies, deception & false flag operations, against an ALLY. My how the dominoes are tumbling in this time of Revelation

    Tuesday, February 22, 2011

    CIA's Davis Caught Delivering Nuke and Biological Weapons to CIA Manufactured Boogeyman al CIAda - Interoffice Transfer?

    It's no wonder that the US wants to get him back here in a bad way before the ISI gets him to spill the beans by way of the Pakistani's using US techniques involving enhanced interrogation, which of course is not torture, according to the CIA, John Yoo, Cheney and the rest of the mafia in Washington.

    CIA's Davis Caught Delivering Nuke and Biological Weapons to CIA Manufactured Boogeyman al CIAda - Interoffice Transfer?: It’s now known that Raymond Davis, the American currently being held in Pakistan, is a CIA agent. While the US government continues to maintain he’s a ‘diplomat’, it’s now emerged Davis is in fact a member of the feared TF373 ‘black ops’ unit that operates invisibly in the Af-Pak TOA. The two men Davis is accused of killing were not “robbers”, but in fact two ISI agents who were tailing him. Worse — much worse — documents found on Davis’ person prove he was working on supplying a dirty bomb to the Taliban. Lest we forget the British false flag op in Iraq back in ‘05 that turned sour (when two SAS commandos, dressed as Arabs and driving a vehicle loaded with explosives and automatic weapons, were actually apprehended by Iraqi police), I’ve included it further below... "CIA Spy" Davis Was Giving Nuclear Bomb Material to Al-Qaeda, Says Report Yahoo News India By ANI | ANI – Sun, Feb 20, 2011 12:18 PM IST London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report. Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.


    The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.

    (...)
     
     




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    Posted: Feb 12, 2011 - 12:02pm

    Pakistani court issued arrest warrant for ex-President Musharraf
    ISLAMABAD – A Pakistani anti-terrorism court on Saturday issued an arrest warrant for former president Pervez Musharraf over the assassination of ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto, a public prosecutor said.

    Musharraf, who was president when Bhutto was killed in December 2007 in a gun and suicide bomb attack, is in self-imposed exile in London. He will not be going back to Pakistan for any court hearing, his spokesman said.

    The former president and military ruler is alleged to have been part of a "broad conspiracy" to have his political rival killed before elections, though the exact nature of the charges against him was not immediately clear.

    "Judge Rana Nisar Ahmad has issued non-bailable warrant for former President Pervez Musharraf and directed him to appear before the court on February 19," special prosecutor Chaudhry Zulfiqar Ali told AFP. (...)

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    Posted: Dec 17, 2010 - 3:25pm



    Top CIA spy in Pakistan pulled amid threats after public accusation over attack

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 8:12pm

     dmax wrote:

    I keep posting that over and over again but it doesn't change a thi...waitaminnit. Uh oh.
     

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 7:55pm

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    {#Whisper}  Ya know that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a diferent result.

     
    I keep posting that over and over again but it doesn't change a thi...waitaminnit. Uh oh.

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 5:11pm

     dmax wrote:
    Oh good grief. Is the same group of people having the same arguments over here too?



     

    {#Whisper}  Ya know that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a diferent result.
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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:38pm

    Oh good grief. Is the same group of people having the same arguments over here too?


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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:34pm

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I was never saying that us Brits were doing more and no one was doing anything, I was saying that the in regards to the coverage it has received on mainstream news in comparison to other disaters such as Haiti and The Tsunami is shocking even though there are more victims than those disasters combined plus some. Was the same when there was the massive earthquake in Pakistan a few years ago, they always seem to be ignored and donations are always a LOT less. Some people have said because Pakistan is so far away people feel less connected to it but I still stand by what I said earlier that if something similar was to happen even further away in Australia, attitudes would be different.

    As it goes, news coverage said earlier said the UK had raised over £30 million. Not bad but could do better. What always surprises me when such disasters happen is super rich middle eastern countries, Arab Emirates etc give absolutely nothing but yet soon want everyone's help when they are being attacked or under threat of attack. It's wrong.
     
    It does seem that the MSM isn't giving much time to the crisis in Pakistan, at least as far as telly is concerned, plenty of coverage on the web news though...daily. As for the earthquake, there was a lot of coverage over here, both on the tube and web....more so now than this which is a far worse situation.

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 4:21pm

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    Here's what the US and other nations are presently up to regarding the Pakistan flood.  Don't see any mention of the country's former ruler on the list.  So what are you Brits doing for them  ?  The US generally is the first one on the scene when allowed.

    Flood relief to stricken Pakistan ramps up



     
    I was never saying that us Brits were doing more and no one was doing anything, I was saying that the in regards to the coverage it has received on mainstream news in comparison to other disaters such as Haiti and The Tsunami is shocking even though there are more victims than those disasters combined plus some. Was the same when there was the massive earthquake in Pakistan a few years ago, they always seem to be ignored and donations are always a LOT less. Some people have said because Pakistan is so far away people feel less connected to it but I still stand by what I said earlier that if something similar was to happen even further away in Australia, attitudes would be different.

    As it goes, news coverage said earlier said the UK had raised over £30 million. Not bad but could do better. What always surprises me when such disasters happen is super rich middle eastern countries, Arab Emirates etc give absolutely nothing but yet soon want everyone's help when they are being attacked or under threat of attack. It's wrong.

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:56am

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I disagree. 'Disastered out'? Come on, that's just a lame excuse for people not wanting to donate. Personally I think there are elements of racism involved. I think people see Pakistan as a place that's almost third world, living in mountains aetc and so when they see (or don't see as the case seems to be) a disaster like this they just think "Oh well, they're used to living like that" when in fact that's far from the truth. Also, In many cases Pakistan is seen as the enemy to many people and so there's less empathy for these poor people when in fact these people who are suffering, dying of disease and malnutrition have no influenec over what their government does any more than you do yours. Disastered out my arse, people look on Pakistan and their people differently so are less inclined to help. If this happened in say Canada or Australia you can bet your last dollar they wouldn't be disastered out then, oh no.
     
    Here's what the US and other nations are presently up to regarding the Pakistan flood.  Don't see any mention of the country's former ruler on the list.  So what are you Brits doing for them  ?  The US generally is the first one on the scene when allowed.

    Flood relief to stricken Pakistan ramps up


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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:55am

     hippiechick wrote:

    Bullshit

    Haitians were black. Where was the prejudice factor there?

     
    Obama is a Muslim therefore he is the enemy.

    You just spent 2 weeks arguing about an imaginary Mosque at GZ & you learned nothing from that....?

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:53am

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    It's definitely both.  The Gulf disaster was very draining to most of the folks likely to have empathy for the Palestinians.  And Haiti wasn't that long ago.

    But there must also be some prejudice in the media because it's getting such sparse coverage.  The media responds to view demand.  So, either the viewers are prejudice, or they don't want to see more Haiti-like heartbreak.  I'm sure it's both.  

    People have a difficult time having sympathy for a country whose government is perceived as not taking care of it's own people.  In Haiti, because they're so close to us and such a poor country, I think they were often viewed sort of as dependent children or pets.  Pakistanis don't have any kind of connection like that to us, so there's simply less attachment. 

     

     
    I agree about less attachment, and that the MSM is not giving this the same kind of coverage as other disasters.

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:51am

     nuggler wrote:

    They're Muslims therefore they are the enemy.
     
    Bullshit

    Haitians were black. Where was the prejudice factor there?


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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:50am

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I disagree. 'Disastered out'? Come on, that's just a lame excuse for people not wanting to donate. Personally I think there are elements of racism involved. I think people see Pakistan as a place that's almost third world, living in mountains aetc and so when they see (or don't see as the case seems to be) a disaster like this they just think "Oh well, they're used to living like that" when in fact that's far from the truth. Also, In many cases Pakistan is seen as the enemy to many people and so there's less empathy for these poor people when in fact these people who are suffering, dying of disease and malnutrition have no influenec over what their government does any more than you do yours. Disastered out my arse, people look on Pakistan and their people differently so are less inclined to help. If this happened in say Canada or Australia you can bet your last dollar they wouldn't be disastered out then, oh no.
     
    They're Muslims therefore they are the enemy.

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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:49am

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I disagree. 'Disastered out'? Come on, that's just a lame excuse for people not wanting to donate. Personally I think there are elements of racism involved. I think people see Pakistan as a place that's almost third world, living in mountains aetc and so when they see (or don't see as the case seems to be) a disaster like this they just think "Oh well, they're used to living like that" when in fact that's far from the truth. Also, In many cases Pakistan is seen as the enemy to many people and so there's less empathy for these poor people when in fact these people who are suffering, dying of disease and malnutrition have no influenec over what their government does any more than you do yours. Disastered out my arse, people look on Pakistan and their people differently so are less inclined to help. If this happened in say Canada or Australia you can bet your last dollar they wouldn't be disastered out then, oh no.
     
    It's definitely both.  The Gulf disaster was very draining to most of the folks likely to have empathy for the Palestinians.  And Haiti wasn't that long ago.

    But there must also be some prejudice in the media because it's getting such sparse coverage.  The media responds to view demand.  So, either the viewers are prejudice, or they don't want to see more Haiti-like heartbreak.  I'm sure it's both.  

    People have a difficult time having sympathy for a country whose government is perceived as not taking care of it's own people.  In Haiti, because they're so close to us and such a poor country, I think they were often viewed sort of as dependent children or pets.  Pakistanis don't have any kind of connection like that to us, so there's simply less attachment. 

     
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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:48am

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I disagree. 'Disastered out'? Come on, that's just a lame excuse for people not wanting to donate. Personally I think there are elements of racism involved. I think people see Pakistan as a place that's almost third world, living in mountains aetc and so when they see (or don't see as the case seems to be) a disaster like this they just think "Oh well, they're used to living like that" when in fact that's far from the truth. Also, In many cases Pakistan is seen as the enemy to many people and so there's less empathy for these poor people when in fact these people who are suffering, dying of disease and malnutrition have no influenec over what their government does any more than you do yours. Disastered out my arse, people look on Pakistan and their people differently so are less inclined to help. If this happened in say Canada or Australia you can bet your last dollar they wouldn't be disastered out then, oh no.
     

    The United States has pledged 90 Million, but why aren't Pakistani-Americans donating. Maybe there is your clue to at least some of the truth, for when you think about it, must be worth something. Maybe it's the CSM with a bend. I just don't know...
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    Posted: Aug 23, 2010 - 11:45am

     geordiezimmerman wrote:

    I disagree. 'Disastered out'? Come on, that's just a lame excuse for people not wanting to donate. Personally I think there are elements of racism involved. I think people see Pakistan as a place that's almost third world, living in mountains aetc and so when they see (or don't see as the case seems to be) a disaster like this they just think "Oh well, they're used to living like that" when in fact that's far from the truth. Also, In many cases Pakistan is seen as the enemy to many people and so there's less empathy for these poor people when in fact these people who are suffering, dying of disease and malnutrition have no influenec over what their government does any more than you do yours. Disastered out my arse, people look on Pakistan and their people differently so are less inclined to help. If this happened in say Canada or Australia you can bet your last dollar they wouldn't be disastered out then, oh no.
     
    Probably all of these.

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