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jarro

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Posted: Apr 3, 2021 - 1:04pm

My understanding is Vorbis comments aren't available  with ogg/flac.   
When I looked through the icecast sourcecode,  it had disabled icy-metadata  for all ogg ( more of an oversight,  since it only supported ogg/vorbis originally ) .   And disabled vorbis comments for ogg/flac.   


We are just using this, for our ogg/flac with metadata.
https://www.rocketbroadcaster....

They don't disable  icy-metadata for ogg,   but  didn't  include  support  for the  StreamUrl  tag  which is what  the shoutcast/icecast  streams use to update the coverart url.
( it is sort of a race to see if  icecast  enables  icy-metadata for ogg,  or  rocket streamer  adds  the streamurl tag )

Will look into adding extra headers, for channel logos and such.  

Thanks for the feedback.

 turnerjw784 wrote:
 (#technical!) -  Greetings, My name is Jim Turner, developer of Fauxdacious mediaplayer, a fork of the Audacious audioplayer.  Due to a feature request on that project's forum referencing your stations and complaining that Audacoius could not play your FLAC streaming stations (verified by me) due to these actually being Ogg/Vorbis streams embedded in a Flac wrapper (and b/c I really LIKED the stations he mentioned, I researched and found that the underlying "libflac" library DOES indeed support this, so I implemented it in Fauxdacious (https://wildstar84.wordpress.com/fauxdacious/)
and sumitted my patchwork to Audacious for their consideration (https://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/issues/1075)!  I even have the song-titles, etc (tags) updatin' as the songs change (it appears they're streamed as ICY metadata)!  

 A cpl. things I want to point out though:  1)  C45tro's thread below mentioned embedded cover-art images - I'm not seeing any of these embedded either in ICY metadata or in Vorbis comments OR being fetched by VLC either (however that's not an issue for me as Fauxdacious can and does fetch album-covers for songs based on the artist & title), but was curious how / if this is being embedded (which would make cover-art handling more efficient for me)?  2)  Related to this, from what I can tell, for Ogg/Flac streams, such as these, it appears that there are no Vorbis comments included, and that these have to be at the beginning of the Flac file/stream, so can't change per song?  However, if this is indeed the case, I would like to recommend using them to include the station's name for the TITLE field, the genre, a brief description of the station (ALBUM or ALBUMARTIST field), and perhaps an icon/image for the station ("COVERART" field), as this would be handy.  Reason being is that Fauxdacious uses these values as defaults (when station is not playing, or song-specific tag fields are missing, ie. no album-cover) for other streaming stations / sites it supports (see my StreamFinder module on CPAN (https://metacpan.org/pod/StreamFinder)
for details on how this works, though that module is not applicable here to radioparadise.com.

Anyway, thanks for the great music!!

Jim

 C45tr0 wrote:


 jarro wrote:
Appreciate the heads up.
Everything should be back in sync now.

 C45tr0 wrote:
Hi,

I listen to the Radio Paradise FLAC streams on my
Raspberry Pi with RuneAudio software. The audio quality is fantastic!
However, I and other RuneAudio users have found that lately the metadata
in the Main and World mixes are not in sync - the song titles and cover
arts do not match. The Mellow and Rock streams display the correct
metadata. Is this a known issue?

Here is an example: https://paste.pics/AB1H9

I understand that the FLAC streams are experimental but I have also found that the Main Mix AAC-320 stream has this problem as well.

Peace,

Bob
 
That was very rapid response.  Thanks a lot!  All good now.

 


 


 


turnerjw784



Posted: Apr 3, 2021 - 10:49am

 (#technical!) -  Greetings, My name is Jim Turner, developer of Fauxdacious mediaplayer, a fork of the Audacious audioplayer.  Due to a feature request on that project's forum referencing your stations and complaining that Audacoius could not play your FLAC streaming stations (verified by me) due to these actually being Ogg/Vorbis streams embedded in a Flac wrapper (and b/c I really LIKED the stations he mentioned, I researched and found that the underlying "libflac" library DOES indeed support this, so I implemented it in Fauxdacious (https://wildstar84.wordpress.com/fauxdacious/)
and sumitted my patchwork to Audacious for their consideration (https://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/issues/1075)!  I even have the song-titles, etc (tags) updatin' as the songs change (it appears they're streamed as ICY metadata)!  

 A cpl. things I want to point out though:  1)  C45tro's thread below mentioned embedded cover-art images - I'm not seeing any of these embedded either in ICY metadata or in Vorbis comments OR being fetched by VLC either (however that's not an issue for me as Fauxdacious can and does fetch album-covers for songs based on the artist & title), but was curious how / if this is being embedded (which would make cover-art handling more efficient for me)?  2)  Related to this, from what I can tell, for Ogg/Flac streams, such as these, it appears that there are no Vorbis comments included, and that these have to be at the beginning of the Flac file/stream, so can't change per song?  However, if this is indeed the case, I would like to recommend using them to include the station's name for the TITLE field, the genre, a brief description of the station (ALBUM or ALBUMARTIST field), and perhaps an icon/image for the station ("COVERART" field), as this would be handy.  Reason being is that Fauxdacious uses these values as defaults (when station is not playing, or song-specific tag fields are missing, ie. no album-cover) for other streaming stations / sites it supports (see my StreamFinder module on CPAN (https://metacpan.org/pod/StreamFinder)
for details on how this works, though that module is not applicable here to radioparadise.com.

Anyway, thanks for the great music!!

Jim

 C45tr0 wrote:


 jarro wrote:
Appreciate the heads up.
Everything should be back in sync now.

 C45tr0 wrote:
Hi,

I listen to the Radio Paradise FLAC streams on my
Raspberry Pi with RuneAudio software. The audio quality is fantastic!
However, I and other RuneAudio users have found that lately the metadata
in the Main and World mixes are not in sync - the song titles and cover
arts do not match. The Mellow and Rock streams display the correct
metadata. Is this a known issue?

Here is an example: https://paste.pics/AB1H9

I understand that the FLAC streams are experimental but I have also found that the Main Mix AAC-320 stream has this problem as well.

Peace,

Bob
 
That was very rapid response.  Thanks a lot!  All good now.

 


 


C45tr0

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Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 5, 2020 - 2:54pm



 jarro wrote:
Appreciate the heads up.
Everything should be back in sync now.

 C45tr0 wrote:
Hi,

I listen to the Radio Paradise FLAC streams on my
Raspberry Pi with RuneAudio software. The audio quality is fantastic!
However, I and other RuneAudio users have found that lately the metadata
in the Main and World mixes are not in sync - the song titles and cover
arts do not match. The Mellow and Rock streams display the correct
metadata. Is this a known issue?

Here is an example: https://paste.pics/AB1H9

I understand that the FLAC streams are experimental but I have also found that the Main Mix AAC-320 stream has this problem as well.

Peace,

Bob
 
That was very rapid response.  Thanks a lot!  All good now.

 


jarro

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Posted: Oct 5, 2020 - 12:08pm

Appreciate the heads up.
Everything should be back in sync now.

 C45tr0 wrote:
Hi,

I listen to the Radio Paradise FLAC streams on my
Raspberry Pi with RuneAudio software. The audio quality is fantastic!
However, I and other RuneAudio users have found that lately the metadata
in the Main and World mixes are not in sync - the song titles and cover
arts do not match. The Mellow and Rock streams display the correct
metadata. Is this a known issue?

Here is an example: https://paste.pics/AB1H9

I understand that the FLAC streams are experimental but I have also found that the Main Mix AAC-320 stream has this problem as well.

Peace,

Bob
 


C45tr0

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Location: Woodford Green
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 5, 2020 - 9:01am

Hi,

I listen to the Radio Paradise FLAC streams on my
Raspberry Pi with RuneAudio software. The audio quality is fantastic!
However, I and other RuneAudio users have found that lately the metadata
in the Main and World mixes are not in sync - the song titles and cover
arts do not match. The Mellow and Rock streams display the correct
metadata. Is this a known issue?

Here is an example: https://paste.pics/AB1H9

I understand that the FLAC streams are experimental but I have also found that the Main Mix AAC-320 stream has this problem as well.

Peace,

Bob
westslope

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Posted: Oct 4, 2020 - 11:01am



 BillG wrote:


 westslope wrote:
I can stream http://stream.radioparadise.co...  (FLAC)   easily enough.

Unless I put on headphones I cannot tell the difference with the AAC-320 stream.   And even then I have to work hard at it.  
 

The difference is very subtle. On most music, I'd call it effectively inaudible. 320k AAC is very high fidelity. 
 
Yes!  The 320k AAC stream sound quality is truly amazing.    Nothing wrong with the smaller footprint too.   Terrific value.

The other day, RP played a song I know well because I own the music and play it often.  I tried to see if I could tell if there was a difference in sound quality in the 320k AAC stream and the FLAC or 320k MP3 files I rip from the CD.   Within seconds I gave up because I knew I would have to stop everything I was doing, don headphones, carefully focus, etc., in order to discern a difference.
R567

Location: UK


Posted: Oct 4, 2020 - 10:38am


The purpose of FLAC is to provide a bit-perfect copy of the original music in compressed form, together with metadata. The FLAC stream broadcast by PR is not a bit-perfect copy of the original CD track, is it? So if the data is processed at all, AAC seems more than adequate to me. Neither version is going to be exactly like the original.
jarro

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Posted: Oct 3, 2020 - 1:49pm

I'll  try to get some alternate  links posted over the next few days to test.


 misery_goat wrote:
For low-mid fi I would agree, but on my Naim system I can hear an audible difference that is significant enough to warrant the effort to get the FLAC streams working. 
 


misery_goat

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Posted: Oct 3, 2020 - 12:17pm

For low-mid fi I would agree, but on my Naim system I can hear an audible difference that is significant enough to warrant the effort to get the FLAC streams working. 
BillG

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Posted: Oct 3, 2020 - 11:29am



 westslope wrote:
I can stream http://stream.radioparadise.co...    easily enough.

Unless I put on headphones I cannot tell the difference with the AAC-320 stream.   And even then I have to work hard at it.  
 

The difference is very subtle. On most music, I'd call it effectively inaudible. 320k AAC is very high fidelity. 
westslope

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Posted: Oct 3, 2020 - 8:54am

I can stream http://stream.radioparadise.co...    easily enough.

Unless I put on headphones I cannot tell the difference with the AAC-320 stream.   And even then I have to work hard at it.  
misery_goat

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Posted: Oct 3, 2020 - 8:29am

Yes, they work in the browser but for some reason minimserver on my QNAP do not like them anymore. I responded to your post on the Naim forum. Thank you for the suggestion, the icy8 streams work for me now. Very happy again. :D


 jarro wrote:

As far as I know everything's up.
But there were some changes that might be causing some issues.


What client is that?
Also do those links play for you in a browser window?


 misery_goat wrote:
Hello Bill, I've been using these FLAC links in a playlist file (m3u) for ages and they've stopped working now. 

**http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac**


 Radio Paradise FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Mellow Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Rock Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Eclectic Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac


Are these urls still valid? Thanks so much for all you do to keep these going. The SQ is superb. Don't want to go back to 320K. ;(
Can you confirm they are okay? If they're still good the problem lies elsewhere. thanks for everything you do. Sound quality is awesome.
 


 


jarro

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Posted: Oct 2, 2020 - 7:31pm


As far as I know everything's up.
But there were some changes that might be causing some issues.


What client is that?
Also do those links play for you in a browser window?


 misery_goat wrote:
Hello Bill, I've been using these FLAC links in a playlist file (m3u) for ages and they've stopped working now. 

**http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac**


 Radio Paradise FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Mellow Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Rock Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Eclectic Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac


Are these urls still valid? Thanks so much for all you do to keep these going. The SQ is superb. Don't want to go back to 320K. ;(
Can you confirm they are okay? If they're still good the problem lies elsewhere. thanks for everything you do. Sound quality is awesome.
 


jarro

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Posted: Oct 2, 2020 - 7:24pm

Oh another thing I forgot to mention.   the metadata does show up in  vlc,  but not with https.

 ntalwalkar wrote:
Hi, I can't seem to get foobar2000 to display song info when listening to the "flacm" FLAC metadata stream (https://stream.radioparadise.c...).  I've tried accessing the stream directly using "Add Location" and also as an .m3u playlist using "Load Playlist".  Any thoughts on solving this issue would be most appreciated!
 


misery_goat

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Posted: Oct 2, 2020 - 5:06pm

Hello Bill, I've been using these FLAC links in a playlist file (m3u) for ages and they've stopped working now. 

**http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac**
**http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac**


 Radio Paradise FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Mellow Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/mellow-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Rock Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac

#EXTINF:-1, RP Eclectic Mix FLAC

http://stream.radioparadise.com/eclectic-flac


Are these urls still valid? Thanks so much for all you do to keep these going. The SQ is superb. Don't want to go back to 320K. ;(
Can you confirm they are okay? If they're still good the problem lies elsewhere. thanks for everything you do. Sound quality is awesome.
jarro

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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 5:46am

It doesn't seem to be  supported in foobar2000 yet.   Sort of hit and miss on what players work.   Depends on how they implemented their icy-metadata support.



 ntalwalkar wrote:
Hi, I can't seem to get foobar2000 to display song info when listening to the "flacm" FLAC metadata stream (https://stream.radioparadise.c...).  I've tried accessing the stream directly using "Add Location" and also as an .m3u playlist using "Load Playlist".  Any thoughts on solving this issue would be most appreciated!
 


ntalwalkar

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 6:13am

Hi, I can't seem to get foobar2000 to display song info when listening to the "flacm" FLAC metadata stream (https://stream.radioparadise.c...).  I've tried accessing the stream directly using "Add Location" and also as an .m3u playlist using "Load Playlist".  Any thoughts on solving this issue would be most appreciated!
gsbaronnier



Posted: Sep 20, 2020 - 3:24am

it also works with the foobar2000 and aimp players
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Posted: Jun 29, 2020 - 2:47am

brilliant, all seems to be working smoothly today 
jarro

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 4:59am

The flacm software was just updated,  should see some improvements.    



 Ohewitt wrote:
brilliant thanks they are now back 
,

Is there a reason I get unknown and track looping intermittently, this morning the world mix works but the rest come up with unknown and repeat/skip every ten seconds or so.

Thanks so much for you help on this 

 


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