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miamizsun

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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 6:05am

 islander wrote:
It was a news story, with data points from a relevant market. It had a bit of speculation, but largely reasonable. There was no call to action.   Are we now at the point where only the basest of information can be relayed without it political fodder?

Sunrise is at 7:05 am for freedom loving republicans, and at 7:05.37 for liberal democrats who refuse to acknowledge the light filtered through the tops of the trees they are hugging. 
 

that's a solid point

personally my challenge is that most of the time i'm a pattern seeking creature (identify risk and seek to neutralize/mitigate it  {#Wink} )

i see a problem and my observation and solution building framework kicks in

my other half swears it is not normal when dining out to draw an efficiency flow chart on a napkin and hand it to the manager on the way out the door
sirdroseph

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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 5:43am



 islander wrote:


 

 Are we now at the point where only the basest of information can be relayed without it political fodder?


 
Yes

Lazy8

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 12:19pm

islander wrote:
It was a news story, with data points from a relevant market. It had a bit of speculation, but largely reasonable. There was no call to action.   Are we now at the point where only the basest of information can be relayed without it political fodder?

It was posted in a context, which was missing. By a partisan poster who favors government intervention as a response to every problem, regardless of origin. I led the target but I don't think I missed.

Sunrise is at 7:05 am for freedom loving republicans, and at 7:05.37 for liberal democrats who refuse to acknowledge the light filtered through the tops of the trees they are hugging.

It's dark. That may mean that the sun has gone out. Never mind what time it is—it's a crisis.
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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 11:50am

 islander wrote:


It was a news story, with data points from a relevant market. It had a bit of speculation, but largely reasonable. There was no call to action.   Are we now at the point where only the basest of information can be relayed without it political fodder?

Sunrise is at 7:05 am for freedom loving republicans, and at 7:05.37 for liberal democrats who refuse to acknowledge the light filtered through the tops of the trees they are hugging. 
 
{#Lol}
islander

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 11:47am



 miamizsun wrote:




in a nutshell he's probably referring to a form of fatal conceit (past, present and future)

if i, in a gesture of good intentions break your leg and then posture as a hero/savior for bringing you crutches and putting you on welfare to survive

what have we accomplished?

intellectually honest analysis like divorcing ambitious political intentions from their actual results is sorely lacking in our society

often the results aren't immediately obvious which makes it all the more difficult

should politicians intervene in a problem when they don't know what they're doing?

cash for clunkers obviously had serious unintended consequences

 

It was a news story, with data points from a relevant market. It had a bit of speculation, but largely reasonable. There was no call to action.   Are we now at the point where only the basest of information can be relayed without it political fodder?

Sunrise is at 7:05 am for freedom loving republicans, and at 7:05.37 for liberal democrats who refuse to acknowledge the light filtered through the tops of the trees they are hugging. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 9:15am

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
what is it with the recent news that Tesla have patented a new battery design that has 10x the capacity of existing ones?  (and they don't seem to be the only ones out there with exciting new battery designs).. given that range is the one issue holding back buyers from electric cars, won't there soon be a flood of ICE cars out there cos no one will want to drive one.

Until we can drive one it's just more hype.

I've lived thru sooooo many breakthrus that were going to, this time, make electric cars happen for people who aren't wealthy enough to virtue signal with their cars.

You can patent anything. Build it and prove it.
Lazy8

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 9:07am

islander wrote:
I don't see a call to government action anywhere here at all.  I double checked the article and it seemed to me to be pretty much informational, and informative. It even had a quote noting that the market would adjust for the problem at hand: 

“But there’s a reality check coming and many subprime buyers will be forced to find more affordable transportation.”

Just anticipating the next move. In order to propose a program to address a crisis you first have to have a crisis—in this case, one generated by all the previous programs, proposed to address the previous crises.
miamizsun

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 8:00am

 islander wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:

So what government intervention is this hand-wringing leading up to?
  • Another cash-for-clunkers boondoggle? No. wait, that's partly responsible for the used car shortage.
  • More subprime lending? No, wait, that's putting people on the hook for things they can't afford.
  • Subsidized car sales? No, wait, that will further reduce supply and drive up prices.
  • Mass transit! Yeah, herd 'em all into buses and subways that require massive subsidies. And get back to me when they actually meet the needs of people who don't live in urban centers.
But whatever, it's capitalism's fault.
 
I don't see a call to government action anywhere here at all.  I double checked the article and it seemed to me to be pretty much informational, and informative. It even had a quote noting that the market would adjust for the problem at hand: 

“But there’s a reality check coming and many subprime buyers will be forced to find more affordable transportation.”

 

in a nutshell he's probably referring to a form of fatal conceit (past, present and future)

if i, in a gesture of good intentions break your leg and then posture as a hero/savior for bringing you crutches and putting you on welfare to survive

what have we accomplished?

intellectually honest analysis like divorcing ambitious political intentions from their actual results is sorely lacking in our society

often the results aren't immediately obvious which makes it all the more difficult

should politicians intervene in a problem when they don't know what they're doing?

cash for clunkers obviously had serious unintended consequences
miamizsun

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Posted: Oct 12, 2019 - 7:39am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
what is it with the recent news that Tesla have patented a new battery design that has 10x the capacity of existing ones?  (and they don't seem to be the only ones out there with exciting new battery designs).. given that range is the one issue holding back buyers from electric cars, won't there soon be a flood of ICE cars out there cos no one will want to drive one.  
 

probably with a few caveats (needless to say political ignorance and capture)

scale and affordability along with charging infrastructure

the masses have to see the value and be willing to pay for it

se vw's meb platform stuff (they're going whole hog on this idea)

also some really cool and promising aluminum battery tech is here (way more storage and lightning fast charging)

tesla makes a great car and their autonomous system is scary good

and they've got infinitely more data for their system than everyone else

transportation tech is at the beginning of what i think is a fantastic transformation
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Posted: Oct 11, 2019 - 9:43pm

islander wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:

So what government intervention is this hand-wringing leading up to?
  • Another cash-for-clunkers boondoggle? No. wait, that's partly responsible for the used car shortage.
  • More subprime lending? No, wait, that's putting people on the hook for things they can't afford.
  • Subsidized car sales? No, wait, that will further reduce supply and drive up prices.
  • Mass transit! Yeah, herd 'em all into buses and subways that require massive subsidies. And get back to me when they actually meet the needs of people who don't live in urban centers.
But whatever, it's capitalism's fault.
 
I don't see a call to government action anywhere here at all.  I double checked the article and it seemed to me to be pretty much informational, and informative. It even had a quote noting that the market would adjust for the problem at hand: 

“But there’s a reality check coming and many subprime buyers will be forced to find more affordable transportation.”

 
what is it with the recent news that Tesla have patented a new battery design that has 10x the capacity of existing ones?  (and they don't seem to be the only ones out there with exciting new battery designs).. given that range is the one issue holding back buyers from electric cars, won't there soon be a flood of ICE cars out there cos no one will want to drive one.  
islander

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Posted: Oct 11, 2019 - 10:53am



 Lazy8 wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:

So what government intervention is this hand-wringing leading up to?
  • Another cash-for-clunkers boondoggle? No. wait, that's partly responsible for the used car shortage.
  • More subprime lending? No, wait, that's putting people on the hook for things they can't afford.
  • Subsidized car sales? No, wait, that will further reduce supply and drive up prices.
  • Mass transit! Yeah, herd 'em all into buses and subways that require massive subsidies. And get back to me when they actually meet the needs of people who don't live in urban centers.
But whatever, it's capitalism's fault.
 
I don't see a call to government action anywhere here at all.  I double checked the article and it seemed to me to be pretty much informational, and informative. It even had a quote noting that the market would adjust for the problem at hand: 

“But there’s a reality check coming and many subprime buyers will be forced to find more affordable transportation.”



Lazy8

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Posted: Oct 11, 2019 - 9:38am

Red_Dragon wrote:

So what government intervention is this hand-wringing leading up to?
  • Another cash-for-clunkers boondoggle? No. wait, that's partly responsible for the used car shortage.
  • More subprime lending? No, wait, that's putting people on the hook for things they can't afford.
  • Subsidized car sales? No, wait, that will further reduce supply and drive up prices.
  • Mass transit! Yeah, herd 'em all into buses and subways that require massive subsidies. And get back to me when they actually meet the needs of people who don't live in urban centers.
But whatever, it's capitalism's fault.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Oct 11, 2019 - 8:57am

Rising old used car prices help push poor Americans over the edge
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Oct 4, 2019 - 7:33am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Reviews are tepid to suck, so this whole thing is starting to smell very hypey.

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Posted: Oct 4, 2019 - 7:31am

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cc_rider

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Posted: Nov 14, 2011 - 2:39pm

 MrsHobieJoe wrote:
Interesting and troubling article.
  Worse, I think it's not especially unique.


MrsHobieJoe

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Posted: Nov 14, 2011 - 2:19pm

 cc_rider wrote:
 romeotuma wrote:
This is exactly like things that happened in the 1930's during the Great Depression...  this could be straight out of John Steinbeck's novel, The Grapes of Wrath, from 1939...
Exactly.
 


Interesting and troubling article.
cc_rider

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Posted: Nov 14, 2011 - 2:03pm

 romeotuma wrote:
This is exactly like things that happened in the 1930's during the Great Depression...  this could be straight out of John Steinbeck's novel, The Grapes of Wrath, from 1939...
Exactly.

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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 9:26am

 hippiechick wrote: 

This is exactly like things that happened in the 1930's during the Great Depression...  this could be straight out of John Steinbeck's novel, The Grapes of Wrath, from 1939...