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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 12:58pm

geordiezimmerman wrote:
You've lost me I'm afraid.

I think the simple answer to your question is Stop buying their products.
 

the
only product of theirs i buy is everything i buy at the supermarket and in the stores that is brought there through trucks that use their product.

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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 12:56pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
ghee.
 
3+5+5+5 = 18 ~ 9 ~ Sagittarius... ruled by Jupiter. Curious.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 12:47pm

ghee.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 11:54am

 Ebon_Lupus wrote:

If only it were that simple.
 

indeed
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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 11:52am

 geordiezimmerman wrote:
You've lost me I'm afraid.

I think the simple answer to your question is Stop buying their products.
 
If only it were that simple.

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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 3:56am

 Ebon_Lupus wrote:
I asked the I Ching the following question:

What can be done to stop big corporations from ruining the earth?

The following is what the I Ching told me.

TTH, HHH, TTT, HHT, HHT, HHT
332, 222, 333, 223, 223, 223

8 young yin - -
6 old yin -o-
9 old yang -x-
7 young yang —-
7 young yang —-
7 young yang —-

- - The Condition: 5 Waiting
—-
- - The Abysmal (Water)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Water~Passion/Emotion
Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

The Condition: 5 Waiting
Judgement: Waiting. If you are sincere, you have light and success. Perseverance brings good fortune. It furthers one to cross the great water.
Image: Clouds rise up to Heaven: the image of Waiting. Thus the superior person eats and drinks, is joyous and of good cheer.
Line 5: Nine in the Fifth place means (peace) — Waiting at meat and drink. Perseverance brings good fortune.
Line 4: Six in the Fourth place means (resoluteness) — Waiting in blood. Get out of the pit.

It is necessary that those who take to task dangerous enterprises are honest with themselves and resolute; without compromise. In this, waiting means one is certain of achieving one's goal, but it will take time for everything to fall into place. One must be prepared for danger and thus be of good cheer, eating, drinking, and resting up for the trials that must surely come. The rain will come, do not interfere with things until the time is right. One should simply do what needs to be done and wait for the time of action.

It is not possible to achieve everything at once. Many battles must be fought with times of peace intervening. A wise person will use peaceful times to strengthen body and spirit and prepare for the next battle... while bearing in mind the ultimate goal. Rest is important to maintaining strength and a clear path of objectivity.

One faces an extremely dangerous situation; a matter of life and death! It seems that loss of blood is imminent. It's like being in a pit... what can be done? All that can be done is to stand firm and let fate take it's course. Otherwise one might bury oneself prematurely through rash actions. One must wait, remain composed, bear the goal of getting out of the pit in mind... and then a plan will follow as the truth becomes evident.


- - line 5 changed: 11 Peace
- -
- - The Receptive (Earth)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Earth~Materialism/Wealth
Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Situation 1: line 5 -o- Merit; the ruler (oneself)
11 Peace
Judgement: Peace. The small departs, the great approaches. Good fortune. Success.
Image: Heaven and Earth unite: the image of Peace. Thus the ruler divides and completes the course of Heaven and Earth; S/he furthers and regulates the gifts of Heaven and Earth, and so aids the people.
Line 5: Six in the Fifth place means (waiting) — The sovereign I gives his daughter in marriage. This brings blessing and supreme good fortune.

A time of peace comes when the high is in harmony with the low. This can mean a time of social harmony among people. Those in positions of power show respect to those below because those below are being respectable. It is the end of feuds; a time to work together to achieve something important of lasting effect. Goodness is in control and evil, being under it's influence, has little choice but to comply. Peace is a time of universal prosperity and opportunity for rallying one's forces to defend against future ill. Through the proper maintenance and regulation of resources, resources remain available in the future.

A modest union of high and low brings prosperity to both.


- - line 4 changed: 43 Resoluteness
—-
—- The Joyous (Lake)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Situation 2: line 4 -x- Warning; the minister (one's advisor)
43 Resoluteness
Judgement: Break-Through. One must resolutely make the matter known at the court of the king. It must be announced truthfully. Danger. It is necessary to notify ones own city. It does not further one to resort to arms. It furthers one to undertake something.
Image: The lake has risen up to Heaven: the image of Break-Through. Thus superior people dispense riches downward and refrain from resting on their virtue.
Line 4: Nine in the Fourth place means (waiting) — There is no skin on his thighs and walking comes hard. If one were to let oneself be led like a sheep remorse would disappear. But if these words are heard they will not be believed.

When an inferior person occupies a position of power, the corruption is sufficient to oppress the actions of superior people. Passion and reason do not mix... one may need to fight corruption in oneself to achieve a noble goal. In a fight between good and evil one must be resolute; a compromise with evil is not possible... evil must be openly discredited under all circumstances! The struggle cannot be undertaken directly by force. When evil is challenged directly, it resorts to weapons... and if we become entangled in one battle after another, we lose our objectivity in passion and hatred. Thus it important to begin with oneself, and banish those faults we have identified as wrong. The best way to fight evil is by furthering goodness. One must be careful not to be obstinate; a tree that does not bend in a storm may be broken. Be weary of greed; spread the wealth... and grow through a process of continual self-examination and gentle adjustments.

An inner restlessness forbids one to find peace. One wishes to push on, under any circumstance, but encounters irreconcilable obstacles. One becomes weakened by the inner conflict; obstinacy and trying to force the situation through wilfulness. Letting go of ego and learning to relax; to let things take their course, would allow things to work themselves out. But such advice will not be believed, because obstinacy and arrogance are passions that make one deaf to wise counsel.


- - lines 5/4 changed: 34 The Power of the Great
- -
—- The Arousing (Thunder)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Earth~Materialism/Wealth
Air~Intellect/Knowledge
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Resolution: line 5/4
34 The Power of the Great
Judgement: The Power of the Great. Perseverance furthers.
Image: Thunder in heaven above: the image of power of the great. Thus superior people do not tread upon paths that do not accord with the established order.
Line 5: Six in the Fifth place means (resoluteness) — Loses the goat with ease. No remorse.
Line 4: Nine in the Fourth place means (peace) — Perseverance brings good fortune. Remorse disappears. The hedge opens; there is no entanglement. Power depends upon the axle of a big cart.

It is a time when inner worth brings itself to bear and becomes powerful. But one must be very careful not to go too far, or one might rely on strength alone, and fail to ask what is right and wrong. Also, being intent on action, one might not allow fate to resolve itself; it is sometimes important just to wait and see... or just to wait for the right time to act. One must resolutely combine conduct and correctness to succeed in profound undertakings... this is the Power of the Great. It is important that one observe Nature and understand causes and effects; understand what fails and what succeeds... and avoid opposing Nature's ways. This requires remaining open to the truth and avoiding the passions of arrogance and stubbornness, hardening personal bias and the urge to force changes.

Give up stubbornness and belligerence without regrets. The situation is such that a light hand will achieve success. Heavy-handedness will only make the situation difficult.

Quietly and persistently work toward the removal of obstructions and success will come in the end. Excessive use of power could cause entanglements. Great loads may be moved with simple machines... modest methods.


TRIGRAM NOTES

"The Receptive brings about shelter." • "The Receptive means earth. It takes care that all creatures are nourished. Therefore it is said: 'He causes them to serve one another in the sign of the Receptive.'" • "The Receptive is yielding." • "The Receptive in the cow." • "The Receptive in the belly." • "The Receptive is the earth, therefore it is called the mother." • "The Receptive is the earth, the mother. It is cloth, a kettle, frugality, it is level, it is a cow with a calf, a large wagon, form, the multitude, a shaft. Among the various kinds of soil, it is black."

"Thunder brings about movement." • "God comes forth in the sign on the Arousing." • "All living things come forth in the sign of the arousing. The arousing stands in the east." • "Of all the forces that move things, there is none swifter than thunder." • "The Arousing means movement." • "The Arousing in the dragon." • "The Arousing in the foot." • "In the trigram of the arousing she seeks for the first time the power of the male and receives a son. Therefore the Arousing is called the eldest son." • "The Arousing is thunder, the dragon. It is dark yellow, it is a spreading out, a great road, the eldest son. It is decisive and vehement; it is bamboo that is green and young, it is reed and rush. Among horses it signifies those which can neigh well, those with white hind legs, those which gallop, those with a star on the forehead. Among useful plants it is the pod bearing ones. Finally, it is the strong, that which grows luxuriantly."

"The rain brings about moisture." • "The abysmal means water. It is the trigram is due north, the trigram of toil to which all creatures are subject. Therefore it is said: 'He toils in the sign of the abysmal.'" • "The Abysmal is dangerous." • "The Abysmal in the pig." • "The Abysmal in the ear." • "In The Abysmal she seeks for a second time and receives a son. Therefore it is called the middle son." • "The abysmal is water, ditches, ambush, bending and straightening out, bow and wheel. Among men it means the melancholy, those with sick hearts, those with earache. It is the blood sign; it is red. Among horses it means those with beautiful backs, those with wild courage, those which let their heads hang, those with thin hooves, those which stumble. Among chariots it means those with many defects. It is penetration, the moon. It means thieves. Among varieties of wood it means those which are firm and have much pith."

"The Joyous brings about pleasure." • "The Joyous is midautumn, which rejoices all creatures. Therefore it is said: 'He gives them joy in the sign of the Joyous.'" • "Of all the forces that give joy to things, there is none more gladdening than the lake." • "The Joyous in the sheep." • "The Joyous in the mouth." • "In the Joyous he seeks for a third time and receives a daughter. Therefore it is called the third daughter." • "The Joyous is the lake, the youngest daughter; it is a sorceress; it is mouth and tongue. It means smashing and breaking appart; it means dropping off and bursting open. Among the kinds of soil it is the hard and salty. It is the concubine. It is the sheep."

"The Creative brings about rulership." • "'He battles in the sign of the creative.' The Creative is the trigram of the northwest. It means that here the dark and the light arouse each other." • "The Creative is strong." • "The Creative acts like a horse." • "The Creative manifests itself in the head." • "The Creative is heaven, therefore it is called the father." • "The Creative is heaven. It is round, it is the prince, the father, jade, metal, cold, ice; it is deep red, a good horse, an old horse, a lean horse, a wild horse, tree fruit."

 


 
You've lost me I'm afraid.

I think the simple answer to your question is Stop buying their products.

Umberdog

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Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 2:42am

I asked the I Ching the following question:

What can be done to stop big corporations from ruining the earth?

The following is what the I Ching told me.

TTH, HHH, TTT, HHT, HHT, HHT
332, 222, 333, 223, 223, 223

8 young yin - -
6 old yin -o-
9 old yang -x-
7 young yang —-
7 young yang —-
7 young yang —-

- - The Condition: 5 Waiting
—-
- - The Abysmal (Water)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Water~Passion/Emotion
Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

The Condition: 5 Waiting
Judgement: Waiting. If you are sincere, you have light and success. Perseverance brings good fortune. It furthers one to cross the great water.
Image: Clouds rise up to Heaven: the image of Waiting. Thus the superior person eats and drinks, is joyous and of good cheer.
Line 5: Nine in the Fifth place means (peace) — Waiting at meat and drink. Perseverance brings good fortune.
Line 4: Six in the Fourth place means (resoluteness) — Waiting in blood. Get out of the pit.

It is necessary that those who take to task dangerous enterprises are honest with themselves and resolute; without compromise. In this, waiting means one is certain of achieving one's goal, but it will take time for everything to fall into place. One must be prepared for danger and thus be of good cheer, eating, drinking, and resting up for the trials that must surely come. The rain will come, do not interfere with things until the time is right. One should simply do what needs to be done and wait for the time of action.

It is not possible to achieve everything at once. Many battles must be fought with times of peace intervening. A wise person will use peaceful times to strengthen body and spirit and prepare for the next battle... while bearing in mind the ultimate goal. Rest is important to maintaining strength and a clear path of objectivity.

One faces an extremely dangerous situation; a matter of life and death! It seems that loss of blood is imminent. It's like being in a pit... what can be done? All that can be done is to stand firm and let fate take it's course. Otherwise one might bury oneself prematurely through rash actions. One must wait, remain composed, bear the goal of getting out of the pit in mind... and then a plan will follow as the truth becomes evident.


- - line 5 changed: 11 Peace
- -
- - The Receptive (Earth)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Earth~Materialism/Wealth
Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Situation 1: line 5 -o- Merit; the ruler (oneself)
11 Peace
Judgement: Peace. The small departs, the great approaches. Good fortune. Success.
Image: Heaven and Earth unite: the image of Peace. Thus the ruler divides and completes the course of Heaven and Earth; S/he furthers and regulates the gifts of Heaven and Earth, and so aids the people.
Line 5: Six in the Fifth place means (waiting) — The sovereign I gives his daughter in marriage. This brings blessing and supreme good fortune.

A time of peace comes when the high is in harmony with the low. This can mean a time of social harmony among people. Those in positions of power show respect to those below because those below are being respectable. It is the end of feuds; a time to work together to achieve something important of lasting effect. Goodness is in control and evil, being under it's influence, has little choice but to comply. Peace is a time of universal prosperity and opportunity for rallying one's forces to defend against future ill. Through the proper maintenance and regulation of resources, resources remain available in the future.

A modest union of high and low brings prosperity to both.


- - line 4 changed: 43 Resoluteness
—-
—- The Joyous (Lake)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Water~Passion/Emotion
Air~Intellect/Knowledge
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Situation 2: line 4 -x- Warning; the minister (one's advisor)
43 Resoluteness
Judgement: Break-Through. One must resolutely make the matter known at the court of the king. It must be announced truthfully. Danger. It is necessary to notify ones own city. It does not further one to resort to arms. It furthers one to undertake something.
Image: The lake has risen up to Heaven: the image of Break-Through. Thus superior people dispense riches downward and refrain from resting on their virtue.
Line 4: Nine in the Fourth place means (waiting) — There is no skin on his thighs and walking comes hard. If one were to let oneself be led like a sheep remorse would disappear. But if these words are heard they will not be believed.

When an inferior person occupies a position of power, the corruption is sufficient to oppress the actions of superior people. Passion and reason do not mix... one may need to fight corruption in oneself to achieve a noble goal. In a fight between good and evil one must be resolute; a compromise with evil is not possible... evil must be openly discredited under all circumstances! The struggle cannot be undertaken directly by force. When evil is challenged directly, it resorts to weapons... and if we become entangled in one battle after another, we lose our objectivity in passion and hatred. Thus it important to begin with oneself, and banish those faults we have identified as wrong. The best way to fight evil is by furthering goodness. One must be careful not to be obstinate; a tree that does not bend in a storm may be broken. Be weary of greed; spread the wealth... and grow through a process of continual self-examination and gentle adjustments.

An inner restlessness forbids one to find peace. One wishes to push on, under any circumstance, but encounters irreconcilable obstacles. One becomes weakened by the inner conflict; obstinacy and trying to force the situation through wilfulness. Letting go of ego and learning to relax; to let things take their course, would allow things to work themselves out. But such advice will not be believed, because obstinacy and arrogance are passions that make one deaf to wise counsel.


- - lines 5/4 changed: 34 The Power of the Great
- -
—- The Arousing (Thunder)
—-
—-
—- The Creative (Heaven)

Earth~Materialism/Wealth
Air~Intellect/Knowledge
Air~Intellect/Knowledge

Resolution: line 5/4
34 The Power of the Great
Judgement: The Power of the Great. Perseverance furthers.
Image: Thunder in heaven above: the image of power of the great. Thus superior people do not tread upon paths that do not accord with the established order.
Line 5: Six in the Fifth place means (resoluteness) — Loses the goat with ease. No remorse.
Line 4: Nine in the Fourth place means (peace) — Perseverance brings good fortune. Remorse disappears. The hedge opens; there is no entanglement. Power depends upon the axle of a big cart.

It is a time when inner worth brings itself to bear and becomes powerful. But one must be very careful not to go too far, or one might rely on strength alone, and fail to ask what is right and wrong. Also, being intent on action, one might not allow fate to resolve itself; it is sometimes important just to wait and see... or just to wait for the right time to act. One must resolutely combine conduct and correctness to succeed in profound undertakings... this is the Power of the Great. It is important that one observe Nature and understand causes and effects; understand what fails and what succeeds... and avoid opposing Nature's ways. This requires remaining open to the truth and avoiding the passions of arrogance and stubbornness, hardening personal bias and the urge to force changes.

Give up stubbornness and belligerence without regrets. The situation is such that a light hand will achieve success. Heavy-handedness will only make the situation difficult.

Quietly and persistently work toward the removal of obstructions and success will come in the end. Excessive use of power could cause entanglements. Great loads may be moved with simple machines... modest methods.


TRIGRAM NOTES

"The Receptive brings about shelter." • "The Receptive means earth. It takes care that all creatures are nourished. Therefore it is said: 'He causes them to serve one another in the sign of the Receptive.'" • "The Receptive is yielding." • "The Receptive in the cow." • "The Receptive in the belly." • "The Receptive is the earth, therefore it is called the mother." • "The Receptive is the earth, the mother. It is cloth, a kettle, frugality, it is level, it is a cow with a calf, a large wagon, form, the multitude, a shaft. Among the various kinds of soil, it is black."

"Thunder brings about movement." • "God comes forth in the sign on the Arousing." • "All living things come forth in the sign of the arousing. The arousing stands in the east." • "Of all the forces that move things, there is none swifter than thunder." • "The Arousing means movement." • "The Arousing in the dragon." • "The Arousing in the foot." • "In the trigram of the arousing she seeks for the first time the power of the male and receives a son. Therefore the Arousing is called the eldest son." • "The Arousing is thunder, the dragon. It is dark yellow, it is a spreading out, a great road, the eldest son. It is decisive and vehement; it is bamboo that is green and young, it is reed and rush. Among horses it signifies those which can neigh well, those with white hind legs, those which gallop, those with a star on the forehead. Among useful plants it is the pod bearing ones. Finally, it is the strong, that which grows luxuriantly."

"The rain brings about moisture." • "The abysmal means water. It is the trigram is due north, the trigram of toil to which all creatures are subject. Therefore it is said: 'He toils in the sign of the abysmal.'" • "The Abysmal is dangerous." • "The Abysmal in the pig." • "The Abysmal in the ear." • "In The Abysmal she seeks for a second time and receives a son. Therefore it is called the middle son." • "The abysmal is water, ditches, ambush, bending and straightening out, bow and wheel. Among men it means the melancholy, those with sick hearts, those with earache. It is the blood sign; it is red. Among horses it means those with beautiful backs, those with wild courage, those which let their heads hang, those with thin hooves, those which stumble. Among chariots it means those with many defects. It is penetration, the moon. It means thieves. Among varieties of wood it means those which are firm and have much pith."

"The Joyous brings about pleasure." • "The Joyous is midautumn, which rejoices all creatures. Therefore it is said: 'He gives them joy in the sign of the Joyous.'" • "Of all the forces that give joy to things, there is none more gladdening than the lake." • "The Joyous in the sheep." • "The Joyous in the mouth." • "In the Joyous he seeks for a third time and receives a daughter. Therefore it is called the third daughter." • "The Joyous is the lake, the youngest daughter; it is a sorceress; it is mouth and tongue. It means smashing and breaking appart; it means dropping off and bursting open. Among the kinds of soil it is the hard and salty. It is the concubine. It is the sheep."

"The Creative brings about rulership." • "'He battles in the sign of the creative.' The Creative is the trigram of the northwest. It means that here the dark and the light arouse each other." • "The Creative is strong." • "The Creative acts like a horse." • "The Creative manifests itself in the head." • "The Creative is heaven, therefore it is called the father." • "The Creative is heaven. It is round, it is the prince, the father, jade, metal, cold, ice; it is deep red, a good horse, an old horse, a lean horse, a wild horse, tree fruit."

 



samiyam

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Location: Moving North


Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:42am

 JrzyTmata wrote:
I like the Magic 8 Ball. or maybe one of those folded up paper thingys.

 
I loved those paper thingys when I was a kid...  Can I find someone to make me one now?

Please?

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Gender: Female


Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:26am

 JrzyTmata wrote:

ok! that would be so much better than indulging in consumerism and buying a new tech toy like an Magic 8 Ball.

 

exactly.  I'll make you one special. 
JrzyTmata

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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:24am

 meower wrote:


i make them all the time with kids!  I'll bring you one next time one is left here. 

 
ok! that would be so much better than indulging in consumerism and buying a new tech toy like an Magic 8 Ball.


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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:22am

 JrzyTmata wrote:
I like the Magic 8 Ball. or maybe one of those folded up paper thingys.

 

i make them all the time with kids!  I'll bring you one next time one is left here. 
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:20am

I like the Magic 8 Ball. or maybe one of those folded up paper thingys.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2010 - 4:24am

try some benadryl cream....
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Posted: Jun 13, 2010 - 11:31pm

 Ebon_Lupus wrote:

Your humor is far more brilliant than I, Mr OCD. I'm bad at knock knock jokes too.

 
 Both require a certain degree of cognizance.  Keep working at it.  You'll get there some day. 

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Posted: Jun 13, 2010 - 11:26pm

 OlderThanDirt wrote:
Say what?  You do what quickly? I can believe that. {#Roflol}
 
Your humor is far more brilliant than I, Mr OCD. I'm bad at knock knock jokes too.
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Posted: Jun 13, 2010 - 11:23pm

 Ebon_Lupus wrote:
NOTE: I've been having some trouble with someone at work.
 
No s**t?  I wonder why?  {#Roflol}

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Posted: Jun 13, 2010 - 11:17pm

 Ebon_Lupus wrote:
I Ching Wiki
 
Say what?  You do what quickly? I can believe that. {#Roflol}


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Posted: Jun 13, 2010 - 11:04pm

I've been interested in the I Ching for many years and have studied it's symbolism, comparatively, as a hobby. I consider the I Ching to be among the most interesting writings that humanity has produced and believe it to be a functional oracle.

I Ching Wiki

If you would like me to try interpreting an I Ching reading for you, please do the following:

1) Find three coins. Any kind will work, so long as you can tell heads from tails. I personally prefer using nickels.
2) Record the question you want to ask on a piece of paper or word processor program. A word processor makes copy/pasting the results easier.
3) While shaking the three coins, repeat the question to yourself, then lay them down. Record the results: H = Heads, T = Tails. The order makes no difference. Repeat this step six times to produce six sets of results. Note that each toss boils down to four possible results: TTT, TTH, HHT, and HHH.
4) Post the question, coin tosses, and whatever background might help me put the symbols into perspective here or in a private message to me.

Example:
What can I do to get things back on track?
Toss 1: HHT, Toss 2: TTT, Toss 3: HHT, Toss 4:TTH, Toss 5: HHH. Toss 6: TTH
NOTE: I've been having some trouble with someone at work.

I'll Post my interpretation as a reply to wherever you posted it (here or in a PM), once I've delineated the results.

Also, use this thread for I Ching discussion or if you want to talk about your own reading. Comparative symbolism (Tarot, Numerology, Astrology) is also a reasonable topic for this thread. Note that this is just an interest of mine and I'm no historian or expert. I'm merely intrigued by the symbolism.