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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 1:11pm

Jack Handey
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Posted: Jun 15, 2010 - 1:06pm

 oldviolin wrote:

This is truth, and has ever been so. However, a healthy sense of humor is, by definition, requisite for a healthy life, extremes notwithstanding. Witness a childs laughter as one of the most comforting sounds there is.

"You cannot go on seeing through things forever. The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it. . . . If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To see through all things is the same as not to see." C.S.Lewis

 
There comes a point when you see through to the truth... and if you aren't insane by then, you see things as they are.
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Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 3:49pm

 oldviolin wrote:
Sounds like you've got all the rules lined up. Forgot one I think, but it might spread your world view a little thin. That is, why are we here?
 
That's a good question, old violin. Some might say to grow. This seems to be a paradigm prevalent in Nature... out with the old and in with the new. Or maybe it's to suffer. But suffering in itself is worthless unless it somehow motivates growth. We're here to suffer and overcome suffering?

Maybe the universe is a paradigm of all possibilities. Like a fractal radiating from the gross to the smallest details of itself. So what formula is the universe solving by way of reality's example? If it's a machine that replicates again and again to infinity, making adjustment of self-perfection, then maybe we are here as part of that solution. We're here to solve/be the details.

Maybe we're as ghosts in the machine... not merely human beings, but all creatures. We're here so the universe can feel and suffer and overcome suffering, and dream. Maybe we're here to dream. To overcome the difficulties of being... to experience, create, and experience the creation... to make evident our dreams. Because that's what the spontaneous cascade of reality has brought us to... dreaming.

That's the best I've come up with... so far.

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 3:22pm

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You're one quarter correct about that. {#Clap}

 

Dang. I was hoping to get at least thirty seven cents or so.


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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 3:19pm

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After all, if one is one then one and one half must be at least half again as much fun...imagine all the nutrition choices...

 
You're one quarter correct about that. {#Clap}
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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 3:15pm

 Manbird wrote:

I would like to see a half centipede half shark and half monkey creature evolve and maybe take over the world. 

 

After all, if one is one then one and one half must be at least half again as much fun...imagine all the nutrition choices...
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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:53pm

 Manbird wrote:

I would like to see a half centipede half shark and half monkey creature evolve and maybe take over the world. 

 
He got laid off from his job a couple of weeks back - his company was "down-sizing".  He's still optimistic about the global domination thing though.

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:50pm

 Manbird wrote:

I would like to see a half centipede half shark and half monkey creature evolve and maybe take over the world. 

 
I seen one of those in Arkansas

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:50pm

OMG, when I was listing great philosophers earlier, I knew I was leaving out someone obvious and I just remembered; THE preeminent philosopher of all times:


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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:48pm

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and crows...
 
I would like to see a half centipede half shark and half monkey creature evolve and maybe take over the world. 


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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:40pm

 Proclivities wrote:

There will probably always be ants and cockroaches.
 
and the Kardishians

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:31pm

 Proclivities wrote:

There will probably always be ants and cockroaches.
 

and crows...
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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:29pm

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Ultimately like any other species we will probably become extinct. Over the earth's 4.5 billion year existence it has shed 99% of its species. Hopefully though, our species which seems headed for suicide, wont exterminate all the other living species also.  
 
There will probably always be ants and cockroaches.

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:28pm

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That's a heavy question, one that assumes there is an answer. What if there is no reason for our existence? And therefore we are obligated to live our lives in a way that justifies them?
 

Then, by extrapolation we come close to something resembling the world of today...
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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 2:24pm

 donna_birichina wrote:

That's a heavy question, one that assumes there is an answer. What if there is no reason for our existence? And therefore we are obligated to live our lives in a way that justifies them?
 
Ultimately like any other species we will probably become extinct. Over the earth's 4.5 billion year existence it has shed 99% of its species. Hopefully though, our species which seems headed for suicide, wont exterminate all the other living species also.  

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 1:56pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Sounds like you've got all the rules lined up. Forgot one I think, but it might spread your world view a little thin. That is, why are we here?

 
That's a heavy question, one that assumes there is an answer. What if there is no reason for our existence? And therefore we are obligated to live our lives in a way that justifies them?

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 1:54pm

If you really want to study philosophy, study mathematics. 
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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 1:43pm

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I understand your point, but if one wanted to learn the fundamentals of Philosophy, wouldn't one first study the fundamental philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle and those guys, instead of first studying Biology?  Of course, that is a philosophical question.
{#Stupid}

  
Edward O Wilson, who wrote "Sociobiology",  talks about this a lot. He also  wrote a book about it -"Consilience The Unity of Knowledge"-

Wikipedia: He wrote it as an attempt to bridge the culture gap between the sciences and the humanities that was the subject of C. P. Snow's The Two Cultures and the Scientific Revolution, 1959. Wilson's assertion was that the sciences, humanities, and arts have a common goal: to give a purpose to understanding the details, to lend to all inquirers "a conviction, far deeper than a mere working proposition, that the world is orderly and can be explained by a small number of natural laws."


If you have the time, he is interviewed about philosophy of free will, death, religion ethics etc here at length. with subtitles too.

This from Bookrags.com.

... More and more, through the 1980s, Wilson turned to philosophical questions. With respect to the theory of knowledge (epistemology), Wilson stresses the interconnected nature of our understanding. He wants to show that everything can be explained in just a few basic principles. The Victorian polymath William Whewell, in his The Philosophy of the Inductive Sciences, spoke of the highest kind of knowledge as being that which connects together the most disparate areas of science. Whewell spoke of such connection as a "consilience of inductions," and this phrase prompted Wilson to call one of his books Consilience (1998), referring to its plea that we bind together all aspects of human knowledge.

Along with epistemology, ethics has always been an interest of Wilson's. His hero in this field is Herbert Spencer, and although Wilson would not want to associate himself with the negative connotations of attempts to link evolution and morality-especially with so-called Social Darwinism-Wilson stands right in the tradition of those who argue that morality is and must be based in human nature as created and preserved by evolution. What is of great importance to Wilson is the need to be sensitive to the environment around us. He speaks of "biophilia," the human love of nature. He believes that we need nature not just to sustain us but also because, in a totally artificial world, we humans would wither and die. Our evolution has tied us to both physical and psychological needs of other organisms. This means that the Wilsonian categorical imperative focuses on biodiversity. In a world without many species, humans are condemned. Following his own prescriptions, for the past decade Wilson has been ardently committed to the preservation of the Brazilian rain forests.


Like Spencer and all other traditional thinkers of this ilk, Wilson turns to notions of progress to link evolution and ethics. Most particularly, he denies that the evolutionary process is one of aimless meandering. Rather, Wilson interprets it as showing an upward rise, from lesser to greater, with humans at the top. Wilson's thinking on this point is part and parcel of his feelings about ultimate questions. An intensely religious man who lost his faith in Christianity in his teens, Wilson was able to replace it with a new religion: Darwinism. He sees religion as an essential part of human culture, binding the tribe together, but he argues that this religious cohesion can endure in the modern age only with the propagation of new "myths" (his word). This is the essential message of Wilson's On Human Nature (1978). This is the story of evolution with the philosophical foundation of materialism. For Wilson, science, ethics, and religion are as one. They make for the ultimate consilience.

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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 1:05pm

I wouldn't say, first of all, that the philosophers themselves are actually favorites. It is their ideas that strike a chord and make one think deeply about existence.
In any event, Wittgenstein is rather thought provoking in his line of reasoning that leads up to "The limits of my language are the limits of my world." Shortly, meaning that we are unable to even comprehend anything which lies beyond the structural linguistic constraints of our language. That our language limits what is even possible to imagine.


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Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 12:56pm

 fuh2 wrote:

Before learning to be a great painter or anything one must first learn the fundamentals. For philosophy that should be. Who are we? Where did we come from?

That is why my favorite is Brit zoologist Desmond Morris who wrote "The Naked Ape: A Zoologist's Study of the Human Animal". It lays bare who we humans are, and why...

 
I understand your point, but if one wanted to learn the fundamentals of Philosophy, wouldn't one first study the fundamental philosophers such as Plato, Aristotle and those guys, instead of first studying Biology?  Of course, that is a philosophical question.
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