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Posted: Aug 16, 2019 - 2:55pm



 jagdriver wrote:
I Was At Woodstock. And I Hated It.

"I don't really see how you get from there to here."
 
I never really understood the magic of Woodstock.   Congestion, mud, garbage.....

Up until Woodstock, there were the hippies (sons and daughters of mostly upper middle class white families) and the usual bohemian characters as well as the politicized, anti-war and anti-racism activists in the counter-culture.

Then the counter-culture went mainstream and everybody wanted to become cool.   A lot of those folks pretending to be cool  were not cool. 

Peace and love?  Violent is the word I would reach for.....    Then the use of illegal substances stretched well beyond cannabis and inner, spiritual exploration with a few psychedelic drugs to a lot more dangerous party drugs.   Promiscuity became a synonym for 'enlightened'.   

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Posted: Aug 15, 2019 - 11:11am

Here we are, 50 years later... well, some of us. Unfortunately, I was not present at Woodstock, but the whole world  felt the vibe of love and peace and the music lives on, most of it the best ever! I often wonder how many of the people who was there are alive today, and whether they changed their views on politics, and whether they brought up their children in the same spirit. The fact that Trump is America's president today is mind boggling. 

Were you there, or your parents?
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Posted: Jun 27, 2019 - 2:48pm

Just got a heads up notice for this presale event.
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WOODSTOCK - BACK TO THE GARDEN: THE DEFINITIVE 50TH ANNIVERSARY ARCHIVE

and some smaller sets ...

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Posted: Aug 18, 2009 - 2:26pm

I Was At Woodstock. And I Hated It.

"I don't really see how you get from there to here."
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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 4:06pm

I'm doing a 3 Day special on my radio show beginning TONIGHT:

"Java" John's
"3 Days of Peace, Love, Music, and Interviews - WOODSTOCK at 40"

Java John Celebrates the 1st Anniversary of his program AN ACOUSTIC RECORD at WFIT
by commemorating the 40th Anniversary of WOODSTOCK.

 Special Guest Interviews include:
ARTIE KORNEFELD (festival producer)
WAVY GRAVY  (Hog Farm/ Stage announcer),
CHIP MONCK (lighting director/Stage Announcer,
HENRY DILTZ (official Concert Photographer),
ARNOLD SKOLNICK (Woodstock Logo/Poster Designer)
PETER MAX
EDGAR WINTER (shared stage with brother Johnny),
JOANNE HAGUE (author WOODSTOCK: Peace Music and Memories)
FRED MIGLIORE (syndicated FM ODYSSEY D.J., and good friend) fresh from The Woodstock 40th Concert in NY!
...and more!

Plus lots of music by (nearly) all the Woodstock artists, including lots of brand new, previously unreleased Woodstock music!
Mondays -
August 17th, 24th, and 31st at 10pm
(est)
89.5 WFIT in Melbourne
LISTEN ON-LINE!: www.wfit.org

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 9:48am

 Mugro wrote:

I think that this could be a generational thing. Some of the teens and 20 somethings were born of parents too young themselves to have been part of the "Woodstock generation".

I think the whole Woodstock thing peaked in the early to mid nineties when they were celebrating the 25th and 30th anniversaries of the festival. When the Berlin wall came down, there was a feeling that the paradigm shift that was going on then was similar to the late 60s. I think that what is going on now is more of the type of paradigm shift that we saw in the 60s, but nothing could really duplicate the upheavals that were going on in politics and culture at that time.

That is what drove Woodstock to be much more than a concert, it seems to me. Like Steeler said, it wasn't really about the music. It was about the convergence of events and culture and the "moment" that came and went that summer.
 
I concur most wholeheartedly. Even in regards fo the music I can remember, at the time it was going on, saying that the real music was happening, not on the stage, but in the woods and campsites. Woodstock was a gestalt. My own remembrances, that I wrote in my Journal Woodstock, 40 years on…, address the surrounding events and dynamics of Woodstock. The music, the whole experience of the festival, was a direct outgrowth of the culture from which the music emanated.

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 9:11am

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Mugro

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 9:11am

 jagdriver wrote:

Interesting thoughts, these, and I especially concur with your last sentence. Nevertheless, for the past many weeks one cannot read a newspaper, a popular newsweekly periodical, cruise the Web, listen to rock radio, visit a B&N, etc., without having something about Woodstock in your face or ears. I would suppose that one cannot even visit a mall where there aren't Woodstock displays in the CD retailer windows.

There have also been other events dubbed Woodstock, such as the one my son attended a few years ago, and a new cultural center debuted over the weekend at the site. I suppose if one doesn't read anything, doesn't surf the 'Net, listens to terrestial radio that caters to particular cultures other than ours, and doesn't give a rip about history, that it would be possible not to know something about Woodstock. I can understand (barely) not knowing anything about Monterey Pop and all things San Franciscan (Haight Ashbury/Summer of Love/Bill Graham/fill in the blank), but in relation to this historical "convergence of events and culture" (which it truly was), I'm at a loss when it comes to a complete lack of knowledge about it.

I just found all of this to be very, very surprising, and it causes me to place the notion in my "wonderment bin" when I stop to consider what's happening to the world today (all-to-soon-to-be geezer that I am). Not that Woodstock should carry that much weight, but it was an historical bellweather of the '60s in much the same way as the Beatles paving the way for the British Invasion, and the former's complete cultural influence on those who grew up during that era.
 

You are right, of course. There are a lot of people focused only on their own narrow existences out there, to be sure. It is sad, really, but I don't think that over the course of history there has ever been a completely aware populace. There have always been, and will always be, people that are not aware of much of the world around them.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 8:52am

 Mugro wrote:

I think that this could be a generational thing. Some of the teens and 20 somethings were born of parents too young themselves to have been part of the "Woodstock generation".

I think the whole Woodstock thing peaked in the early to mid nineties when they were celebrating the 25th and 30th anniversaries of the festival. When the Berlin wall came down, there was a feeling that the paradigm shift that was going on then was similar to the late 60s. I think that what is going on now is more of the type of paradigm shift that we saw in the 60s, but nothing could really duplicate the upheavals that were going on in politics and culture at that time.

That is what drove Woodstock to be much more than a concert, it seems to me. Like Steeler said, it wasn't really about the music (some say that most of the sets were audibly terrible because of the rain, the inadequate sound system, etc.). It was about the convergence of events and culture and the "moment" that came and went that summer.
 
Interesting thoughts, these, and I especially concur with your last sentence. Nevertheless, for the past many weeks one cannot read a newspaper, a popular newsweekly periodical, cruise the Web, listen to rock radio, visit a B&N, etc., without having something about Woodstock in your face or ears. I would suppose that one cannot even visit a mall where there aren't Woodstock displays in the CD retailer windows.

There have also been other events dubbed Woodstock, such as the one my son attended a few years ago, and a new cultural center debuted over the weekend at the site. I suppose if one doesn't read anything, doesn't surf the 'Net, listens to terrestial radio that caters to particular cultures other than ours, and doesn't give a rip about history, that it would be possible not to know something about Woodstock. I can understand (barely) not knowing anything about Monterey Pop and all things San Franciscan (Haight Ashbury/Summer of Love/Bill Graham/fill in the blank), but in relation to this historical "convergence of events and culture" (which it truly was), I'm at a loss when it comes to a complete lack of knowledge about it.

I just found all of this to be very, very surprising, and it causes me to place the notion in my "wonderment bin" when I stop to consider what's happening to the world today (all-to-soon-to-be geezer that I am). Not that Woodstock should carry that much weight, but it was an historical bellweather of the '60s in much the same way as the Beatles paving the way for the British Invasion, and the former's complete cultural influence on those who grew up during that era.

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 8:51am

 owld_skipper wrote:

I'm not sure it's solely "being oblivious", I think it speaks to an educational failure. My impression (and it is my impression) is that a great number of Americans are ignorant of their history - political, economic and cultural. My evidence lies in things I read and conversations I have.

I am often told that, for a Canadian I seem to know a lot of American history. It's true that I am by nature curious. It is also true that I went to school in Ontario, Canada, at a time when the study of history was considered important. I left high school knowing a lot about the history of the United States, partly because it was important to an understanding of the history of Canada. Today, on both sides of the border, history seems to be treated as a frill.

That's sad, really.

 
That's because we are only interested in some tasty waves, and a cool buzz.

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 8:32am

 jagdriver wrote:
Hi brother had read in the Mercury News that 40% on today's population doesn't know what Woodstock is. Puzzled by this, he did his own informal survey while he was out and about the next day and you know what? It's true! One young woman knew about the nearby Woodstock Pizzeria, but was clueless as to how it got its name. I will grant you that, in my brother's world of the South Bay area, he's mixing it up with folks of many diverse cultural backgrounds, but still............

What with all of the birthday hoopla in all forms of media, and with Taking Woodstock about to hit the theaters, I simply don't understand this figure. Ignorance may be bliss, but I tend to think this falls more into the category of simply being oblivious to the world and what's going on...not just in relation to today's events, but what major events from years past have shaped society.

 
I think that this could be a generational thing. Some of the teens and 20 somethings were born of parents too young themselves to have been part of the "Woodstock generation".

I think the whole Woodstock thing peaked in the early to mid nineties when they were celebrating the 25th and 30th anniversaries of the festival. When the Berlin wall came down, there was a feeling that the paradigm shift that was going on then was similar to the late 60s. I think that what is going on now is more of the type of paradigm shift that we saw in the 60s, but nothing could really duplicate the upheavals that were going on in politics and culture at that time.

That is what drove Woodstock to be much more than a concert, it seems to me. Like Steeler said, it wasn't really about the music (some say that most of the sets were audibly terrible because of the rain, the inadequate sound system, etc.). It was about the convergence of events and culture and the "moment" that came and went that summer.

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 8:23am

Hi brother had read in the Mercury News that 40% on today's population doesn't know what Woodstock is. Puzzled by this, he did his own informal survey while he was out and about the next day and you know what? It's true! One young woman knew about the nearby Woodstock Pizzeria, but was clueless as to how it got its name. I will grant you that, in my brother's world of the South Bay area, he's mixing it up with folks of many diverse cultural backgrounds, but still............

What with all of the birthday hoopla in all forms of media, and with Taking Woodstock about to hit the theaters, I simply don't understand this figure. Ignorance may be bliss, but I tend to think this falls more into the category of simply being oblivious to the world and what's going on...not just in relation to today's events, but what major events from years past have shaped society.
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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 8:08am

 steeler wrote:


When the system was reconfigured a few years ago by BillG, the date of birth for those of us who had not filled out that category, but left it blank, would come up with odd dates, like 1901.  

    Thanks for the info steeler !
     (i knew that)

    I choose 1902 just to get my zodiac right ! _{#Guitarist}_{#Guitarist}
    The year is wrong tho,I am a RAT !{#Eh}
steeler

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 7:49am

 owld_skipper wrote:


Nobody wants to admit how owld they really are.

So they sign up with ridiculously early birth dates, like 1901. If they worry about getting the correct Chinese year sign, they'll pick something like 1917.

But, how owld is owld anyways?

 

When the system was reconfigured a few years ago by BillG, the date of birth for those of us who had not filled out that category, but left it blank, would come up with odd dates, like 1901.  
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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 7:46am

 owld_skipper wrote:


Nobody wants to admit how owld they really are.

So they sign up with ridiculously early birth dates, like 1901. If they worry about getting the correct Chinese year sign, they'll pick something like 1917.

But, how owld is owld anyways?

 
      Good Q,,,,,,my guess would be : if you feel older, than what you really are ! {#Undecided}


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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 7:40am

 jadewahoo wrote:
 musik_knut wrote:


Tell that to The Founders. . . many of whom lost fortunes, liberties, lives. . .

The Founders. Hmmm. I don't remember that band. What songs did they play?  

 
Build Me Up Buttercup? {#Stupid}

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Posted: Aug 17, 2009 - 7:09am

I listened to a lot of Woodstock music and lore this weekend on radio. It really was a great lineup and many great performances. What struck me about the reminiscences of those who were there was that they never characterize it in the manner that we would for a concert.  The music — as great as it must have been — had become secondary to the experience.       
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Posted: Aug 15, 2009 - 8:52pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Tell that to The Founders...many of whom lost fortunes, liberties, lives...

The Founders. Hmmm. I don't remember that band. What songs did they play? 


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Posted: Aug 15, 2009 - 8:42pm

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I wanted to spike their water supply with narcan. But I was only 10 years old so I couldn't drive across country. Oh well. 

 

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Posted: Aug 15, 2009 - 8:01pm

 dionysius wrote:

First? Tell that to Woody Guthrie, John Reed, Joe Hill, Mother Jones, and many others from the heroic age, decades before.  
 

Tell that to The Founders...many of whom lost fortunes, liberties, lives...
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