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haresfur

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Location: The Golden Triangle
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 7, 2025 - 6:06am

 rgio wrote:

The US needs to automate the tax system after simplifying the tax code.  Eliminate all of the deductions and exclusions that can't be automated.   Instead of being "self-assessed", taxes should be withheld at a transaction level, and returns should be used as a means of refund.  Here's your tax bill for the year....based on these items of income and deduction (which we automatically received - like TurboTax used to).  If you agree...thanks and have a nice day.  No return.  No accountant.  Taxes paid.    If it's wrong, tell us and file.   You have a year to file for a refund.

Here, at least, and I think in the US taxes on capital gains are taken out based on some voodoo calculation on the increased value of the stock or fund. So there is no transaction - just that the value has gone up and we don't want to wait for you to cash out to get our share. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm a financial idiot.
islander

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Location: West coast somewhere
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 6, 2025 - 2:50pm

 rgio wrote:

Taxes have 2 components:  Base and rate.  Discussing one without the other is pointless, yet doing so in the US is impossible.  NOBODY can assess the impact of a change in the tax code now the way that it's done.  Nobody.

That's a problem.

I have worked in taxation since the 80s, and my "network" has been buzzing since the DOGE discussion of eliminating half of the IRS started.  We need too many people administering our system, but you don't fire all of your sales people as a way to save money.  IRS agents have a net positive cash flow.  The US is undercollecting on owed taxes by about $700 Billion per year.  That number will go up.... while Trump talks about $5M "gold-cards" as a means to reducing the debt?  It's absolute, unadulterated insanity.

The US needs to automate the tax system after simplifying the tax code.  Eliminate all of the deductions and exclusions that can't be automated.   Instead of being "self-assessed", taxes should be withheld at a transaction level, and returns should be used as a means of refund.  Here's your tax bill for the year....based on these items of income and deduction (which we automatically received - like TurboTax used to).  If you agree...thanks and have a nice day.  No return.  No accountant.  Taxes paid.    If it's wrong, tell us and file.   You have a year to file for a refund.

We need an efficient, automated, functional government, paid for with taxes.  Those who earn more should pay more (thankfully).

Elon Musk and Donald Trump have money because of the system, not in spite of it.  Their attempts to destroy it now is greed and arrogance.  


Yes to all of this. Unfortunately, we have an entire industry tied up in having complicated taxes.  When people make money off a problem, it's hard to make the problem go away.
rgio

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Location: West Jersey
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 6, 2025 - 8:54am

 black321 wrote:

Good idea, could it happen?
At the same time, keep corporate taxes low, and raise the friggin capital gains tax for gains above say $50,000 a year. 


You pay sales tax at a transaction level, and the result is corporate only filings and in rare instances personal adjustments.  Why not have a similar process for income taxes?  

EDITORS NOTE: US sales taxes are a cluster-cuss that should not be duplicated, and instead standardized and simplified also.

So... if you agree with simplicity and automation....keep it simple.  Capital gains for those with under $500k in income are taxed at the lower of 28% or the marginal rate.  Anyone over $500k pays regular marginal taxes.  Here's the calc we did for you....here's the refund we calculated.... if you don't agree, stop by the office or schedule a web-meeting on our automated calendar.

Have a nice day.

For 98% of Americans.... life just got better.  For the 2% hiding income or not filing or whatever... things also got better, just a bit more expensive.

black321

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Location: An earth without maps
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 6, 2025 - 6:59am

 rgio wrote:

Taxes have 2 components:  Base and rate.  Discussing one without the other is pointless, yet doing so in the US is impossible.  NOBODY can assess the impact of a change in the tax code now the way that it's done.  Nobody.

That's a problem.

I have worked in taxation since the 80s, and my "network" has been buzzing since the DOGE discussion of eliminating half of the IRS started.  We need too many people administering our system, but you don't fire all of your sales people as a way to save money.  IRS agents have a net positive cash flow.  The US is undercollecting on owed taxes by about $700 Billion per year.  That number will go up.... while Trump talks about $5M "gold-cards" as a means to reducing the debt?  It's absolute, unadulterated insanity.

The US needs to automate the tax system after simplifying the tax code.  Eliminate all of the deductions and exclusions that can't be automated.   Instead of being "self-assessed", taxes should be withheld at a transaction level, and returns should be used as a means of refund.  Here's your tax bill for the year....based on these items of income and deduction (which we automatically received - like TurboTax used to).  If you agree...thanks and have a nice day.  No return.  No accountant.  Taxes paid.    If it's wrong, tell us and file.   You have a year to file for a refund.

We need an efficient, automated, functional government, paid for with taxes.  Those who earn more should pay more (thankfully).

Elon Musk and Donald Trump have money because of the system, not in spite of it.  Their attempts to destroy it now is greed and arrogance.  

Good idea, could it happen?
At the same time, keep corporate taxes low, and raise the friggin capital gains tax for gains above say $50,000 a year. 

rgio

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Location: West Jersey
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 6, 2025 - 6:18am

 Isabeau wrote:
Absolutely. Re-invest, not use to purchase more stock.

Taxes have 2 components:  Base and rate.  Discussing one without the other is pointless, yet doing so in the US is impossible.  NOBODY can assess the impact of a change in the tax code now the way that it's done.  Nobody.

That's a problem.

I have worked in taxation since the 80s, and my "network" has been buzzing since the DOGE discussion of eliminating half of the IRS started.  We need too many people administering our system, but you don't fire all of your sales people as a way to save money.  IRS agents have a net positive cash flow.  The US is undercollecting on owed taxes by about $700 Billion per year.  That number will go up.... while Trump talks about $5M "gold-cards" as a means to reducing the debt?  It's absolute, unadulterated insanity.

The US needs to automate the tax system after simplifying the tax code.  Eliminate all of the deductions and exclusions that can't be automated.   Instead of being "self-assessed", taxes should be withheld at a transaction level, and returns should be used as a means of refund.  Here's your tax bill for the year....based on these items of income and deduction (which we automatically received - like TurboTax used to).  If you agree...thanks and have a nice day.  No return.  No accountant.  Taxes paid.    If it's wrong, tell us and file.   You have a year to file for a refund.

We need an efficient, automated, functional government, paid for with taxes.  Those who earn more should pay more (thankfully).

Elon Musk and Donald Trump have money because of the system, not in spite of it.  Their attempts to destroy it now is greed and arrogance.  
Isabeau

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Location: sou' tex
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 6, 2025 - 5:44am

 islander wrote:


Our tax rates should definitely be re-evaluated, and the wealthy should pay a higher effective rate than everyone else. But no one ever paid 91%. At the time, there were a LOT more deductions you could take. But the basic (correct) premise was - If you don't use your money to keep things happening in the economy, we'll take it and make things happen in the economy. 

Money is just a tool. If you leave it in the bank it doesn't do any good. If you use it, it creates things, feeds people, fixes problems. 


Absolutely. Re-invest, not use to purchase more stock.
islander

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Location: West coast somewhere
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 5, 2025 - 3:04pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Ah, the good old days.


Our tax rates should definitely be re-evaluated, and the wealthy should pay a higher effective rate than everyone else. But no one ever paid 91%. At the time, there were a LOT more deductions you could take. But the basic (correct) premise was - If you don't use your money to keep things happening in the economy, we'll take it and make things happen in the economy. 

Money is just a tool. If you leave it in the bank it doesn't do any good. If you use it, it creates things, feeds people, fixes problems. 
Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead


Posted: Mar 5, 2025 - 1:44pm



Ah, the good old days.
miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 10:09am

 pilgrim wrote:


Earth is just a fancy name for us!

HiYa J 




 d     

happy st pats day
Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 10:08am

 lily34 wrote:


whut?


An apparently bad play on Nietzsche. 
pilgrim

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Location: outlier


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 10:04am

 miamizsun wrote:


earth needs you!


Earth is just a fancy name for us!

HiYa J 
miamizsun

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Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 10:01am

 lily34 wrote:





earth needs you!
lily34

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Location: GTFO
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 9:50am

 miamizsun wrote:


the world is a better place with you in it
so don't go anywhere!




miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 9:47am

 lily34 wrote:


whut?


the world is a better place with you in it
so don't go anywhere!
lily34

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Location: GTFO
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 9:45am

 Red_Dragon wrote:


but, did you die?


whut?
Red_Dragon

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Location: Gilead


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 9:36am

 lily34 wrote:



  OMG i forgot all about that. thank goodness, no!


but, did you die?
lily34

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Location: GTFO
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 17, 2023 - 8:39am

 Proclivities wrote:

I hope there's not a dentist's office in the building.  




  OMG i forgot all about that. thank goodness, no!
Proclivities

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Location: Paris of the Piedmont
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 16, 2023 - 1:46pm

 lily34 wrote:

i just got a new job. back to working in a small local accounting (tax accounting, etc) office, and it's all coming back to be after being out of this game for 7+ yrs now. i'm hoping i don't have nightmares....because, so far so good.


I hope there's not a dentist's office in the building.  

miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 16, 2023 - 1:26pm

 lily34 wrote:

i just got a new job. back to working in a small local accounting (tax accounting, etc) office, and it's all coming back to be after being out of this game for 7+ yrs now. i'm hoping i don't have nightmares....because, so far so good.





lily34

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Location: GTFO
Gender: Female


Posted: Mar 16, 2023 - 10:19am

i just got a new job. back to working in a small local accounting (tax accounting, etc) office, and it's all coming back to be after being out of this game for 7+ yrs now. i'm hoping i don't have nightmares....because, so far so good.
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